Is Malik Rose the Best of All-Time?

**Buddy Holly** · 03-01-2006

Charles Oakley.

End of discussion.

**ShoogarBear** · 03-01-2006

A little bit of revisionist history going on here...

Yeah, but not by who you think.

According to the very story you posted, when Kerr hit his first shot, the Spurs had already closed the gap to 3.

According to some accounts here (seeming yours included), Kerr single-handedly led the Spurs back from the dead. No, what he did (to flip a metaphor) was drive the nail in the Mavs' coffin, which is somewhat different.

Kerr cemented the victory, but it was Jack, Manu, and Tim (who was still drawing the doubles) who got them back in the game.

That was one of the great clutch performances in Spurs history. I don't understand the need to minimize it or trash Kerr in an attempt to build Malik Rose or Jaren Jackson up...he also was the back up PG most of that season, and he did provide an undeniable emotional momentum changing lift in that game.

Again, he didn't provide the lift, the Spurs already had the momentum. He brought it home.

We're not arguing against the greatness of the performance. We're arguing against the need to not be happy with what it was, and to build it into something even more.

It's very likely that the Spurs would not have won without Kerr, but it's not truthful to say they wouldn't have come back without him.

Stop the hate...that was a great ing performance.

Nobody's hating. Just providing balance.

**whottt** · 03-01-2006

Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

Yeah, but not by who you think.

According to the very story you posted, when Kerr hit his first shot, the Spurs had already closed the gap to 3.

According to some accounts here (seeming yours included), Kerr single-handedly led the Spurs back from the dead. No, what he did (to flip a metaphor) was drive the nail in the Mavs' coffin, which is somewhat different.

Kerr cemented the victory, but it was Jack, Manu, and Tim (who was still drawing the doubles) who got them back in the game.

Again, he didn't provide the lift, the Spurs already had the momentum. He brought it home.

We're not arguing against the greatness of the performance. We're arguing against the need to not be happy with what it was, and to build it into something even more.

It's very likely that the Spurs would not have won without Kerr, but it's not truthful to say they wouldn't have come back without him.

Nobody's hating. Just providing balance.

I never said he single handedly lead us back...but he was the swing.

I think we wouldn't have won that game without Kerr's performance...we choked a lot in those playoffs, and in that series, at the FT line, from 3, and that game had that same type of oh feel to it.

There were very few games we were just blown out in, just about all of them were close, ...but there were plenty where we lost the deciding moment of the game.

**kskonn** · 03-02-2006

Actually he did come in and immediatelly hit a couple of open jumpers, two pointers not three. That got the mavs attentention. then If I remember correctly the first two times he got the ball on the perimeter dallas rotated hard to him which allowed him to either assist or start the ball reversal for the open threes. Once Jack hit a couple and manu hit his the mavericks stayed on their man which is when the spurs went down to Tim who just waited for the double off of Kerr---- the rest is history.

So my opinio is that he did come in and open up the floor for the rest of the team, I agree that it is not right to diminish his impact on that game to build up rose and jackson.

I still think I have been convinced that rose is the best bench player in the robinson and Duncan era, despite my dislike of him.

**polandprzem** · 03-02-2006

Originally Posted by SequSpur

He was a starter...

not an off the bench in the dog house scrub like Rose.

1 month starter

**ShoogarBear** · 03-02-2006

Originally Posted by kskonn

Actually he did come in and immediatelly hit a couple of open jumpers, two pointers not three.

Uh, no.

Read the article quoted by whottt:

Kerr, the career leader in 3-point accuracy, took only four shots, but made them all, and all were behind the line. That made for 12 points in 13 minutes. He also had three assists and two rebounds.

**ca®lo** · 03-02-2006

steve kerr

**ca®lo** · 03-02-2006

Originally Posted by timvp

Exactly.

Spurs were down by 12 in the fourth.

Manu hits a three -- down by 9
Jackson hits a three -- down by 6
Jackson hits a three -- down by 3
Kerr hits a three -- tied
Kerr hits a three -- +3
Kerr hits a three -- +6

So yeah, Kerr hit some big shots but the Spurs were already all the way back in the game. Plus there was still half the fourth quarter yet to play.

They were big shots but those two minutes of action has him up there with Gervin, Robinson and Duncan somehow.

ahh.. oh man remembering that surely felt GOOOD

**pache100** · 03-02-2006

Originally Posted by leemajors

honestly, who gives a .

Lots of people do. If you don't, why bother?

**T Park** · 03-02-2006

Kerr won us that game

Kerr tied the game and gave them a lead.

Stephen Jackson, Malik Rose, and Manu Ginobili got them back into it.

Go rewatch the tape hollywood.

How many games did Malik win in the Clutch?? I think it was zero

Game 2 Phoenix 03, Game 2 Dallas 03, Game 5 Vs New Jersey among others........

**leemajors** · 03-02-2006

Originally Posted by pache100

Lots of people do. If you don't, why bother?

i just think there is better fodder for discussion than malik rose.

**polandprzem** · 03-02-2006

Okay - It's ing over!

Malik was the best in TD's era.
So stop this useless conversation

Nobody was so productive in long time Malik was in the Silver and Black!

Second place goes to the great defender and clutch shooter who spreads the floor better then anyone while on court with Timmy.

**BigZak** · 03-02-2006

Malik, Manu (03), Horry, Kerr.

**timvp** · 03-02-2006

Manu (03)

As great of a player that Manu has become, he didn't exactly tear it up in the 2003 playoffs. He had one good series against the Lakers. Other than that, he wasn't anywhere close to the Manu of today.

vs. Suns -- 7.7 points per game on 27.7% shooting from the field
vs. Lakers -- 11.7 points per game on 51.4% shooting from the field
vs. Mavs -- 9.7 points per game on 42.3% shooting from the field
vs. Nets -- 8.7 points per game on on 35.1% shooting from the field

As odd as it seems, I'd say '99 JJ > '03 Manu

**timvp** · 10-05-2007

Bump.

After the 2007 championship, it's probably time to update the list.

Hmmmmm....

**Mister Sinister** · 10-05-2007

Originally Posted by timvp

Bump.

After the 2007 championship, it's probably time to update the list.

Hmmmmm....

Three way tie between Beno, Scola, and James White!, I think.

**Dalamar_the_Dark** · 10-05-2007

Originally Posted by timvp

15 Best Bench Player of the David Robinson/Tim Duncan Era

1. Malik Rose -- A vital part of two championships.
2. Robert Horry -- Historic performance in the 2005 playoffs.
3. Jaren Jackson -- Legendary 1999 playoff run.
4. Chuck Person -- Hit 457 three-pointers in his three years in San Antonio.
5. Antonio Daniels -- Four seasons in San Antonio. Routinely played well in the playoffs.
6. Will Perdue -- Provided muscle next to Tim and Dave.
7. Terry Porter -- Was a team leader for his three-year stint in San Antonio.
8. Antoine Carr -- Three seasons in San Antonio averaging just under 11 points per game.
9. Brent Barry -- Hit big shots during the 2005 playoffs.
10. Danny Ferry -- Two year stint highlighted by his playoff saving Game Two of the 2003 playoffs.
11. Steve Kerr -- Four seasons in San Antonio. Hit big shots in 2003 playoffs.
12. Jerome Kersey -- Gave the Spurs toughness for two seasons.
13. Speedy Claxton -- Injured most of his season in San Antonio but played well in 2003 playoffs.
14. Doc Rivers -- Was a good role player in his two seasons of action for the Spurs.
15. Devin Brown -- Played parts of three seasons in San Antonio. Big in 2004 playoffs.

Tell me why Mario Ellie doesnt get a bit of love?

**timvp** · 10-05-2007

Originally Posted by Dalamar_the_Dark

Tell me why Mario Ellie doesnt get a bit of love?

He started.

**ChumpDumper** · 10-05-2007

Maybe Malik can add to his case once Zeke buys him out.

**MI21** · 10-05-2007

Jacque Vaughn.

On a serious note, what the is with the Spurs fans love of Steve Kerr? He was important in 2 games, and those happened to be 2 very important games, but best bench player ever... I don't think so!

**timvp** · 10-05-2007

Originally Posted by MI21

Jacque Vaughn.

On a serious note, what the is with the Spurs fans love of Steve Kerr? He was important in 2 games, and those happened to be 2 very important games, but best bench player ever... I don't think so!

I've given up trying to understand.

**exstatic** · 10-05-2007

Originally Posted by timvp

He started.

PZWN3D

**picnroll** · 10-05-2007

Please tell me this isn't timvp's opening volley in a campaign to have his other love child Malik's number retired. Tell you what, let Malik and AJ do a reenactment of the lockerroom brawl and the winner's number goes to the ceiling.

**timvp** · 10-05-2007

Originally Posted by picnroll

Please tell me this isn't timvp's opening volley in a campaign to have his other love child Malik's number retired. Tell you what, let Malik and AJ do a reenactment of the lockerroom brawl and the winner's number goes to the ceiling.

**picnroll** · 10-05-2007

Wouldn't it be better to have Beno being owned by someone other than Davis?

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