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Manu over Allen
He's probably cheaper and he has more heart.
I'm not saying that, Im saying you dont think that if Ray Allen was playing with Duncan and Parker he would'nt have had his moments as well? Manu has the luxery of not being the teams number one option, which makes things a lot easier for him. Allen on the other hand has always been his teams number one option, usually without a decent number 2, and the guy still fills it up. Manu is one of my favorite players ever, but he has never had the kind of pressure on him that Allen has. Allen is a much bigger threat than Manu.
And Im sure guys like Oberto, Scola, Delfino, Nocioni, and Herrmann didnt help win gold either.
Manu over Allen
He's probably cheaper and he has more heart.
so I guess we will find out this season if Ray can carry the Celtics for a few playoff series. But UP TO NOW that has not happened.
they are decent role players at best. Truth is Manu carried Argentina. Even they acknowledge that.And Im sure guys like Oberto, Scola, Delfino, Nocioni, and Herrmann didnt help win gold either.
did he?
they sure played well without him this year
If you add up the sum of the parts for each Big 3, the Boston 3 come out on top by a landslide, in my opinion. Duncan and Garnett are practically on the same level, Pierce is better than Parker, and Ray Allen is better than Manu.
But teams aren't always a sum of their parts, and in the Spurs' case, they win because they're extremely well-coached, well-disciplined, have great chemistry, and they also have great role players to accompany them. The Boston 3 haven't proven anything because they haven't played a single game yet... so we'll see. I doubt they'll ever be as good as the San Antonio 3 have proven to be.
"Better" is such a subjective word...
I remember a quote by Pop a few years ago saying that there is no shooting guard (except Kobe) in the league he would rather have than Manu. Of course, this was before DWade exploded onto the scene...
Stats are not everything, sheesh, would you want VC on your team?
I AGREE. Every day the guys do down him. Why? He's the Final's Mvp. yeah, his defense in improved but his speed helps the team in defense transition. Parker's underrated by many Spurs fans. You can say that again.
Duncan>Garnett
Manu>Allen
Parker>Pierce
Ray is better than Manu. Not sure how much, but you have to give him the nod because of his scoring ability and consistency since 2000. Ray has been a #1 option and a damn good and efficient one at that. He has had some very solid offensive help over the years, but he was always the clearcut best offensive player on his team each season.
Remember that a Ray Allen led Seattle team gave the Spurs tons of trouble WITHOUT Rashard Lewis and Radmonovic..... Ray certainly is a solid #1 option and could be an excellent #2 option in his own right. His game clearly appears to be perfect as a compliment player -- especially with a guy like Garnett. Remember how well Cassell played off KG? Ray has the same type of potential if he is healthy.
I get the feeling Ray can be seen in a better light alongside Garnett on defense as well. He will have more energy with less of the offensive load on his shoulders. But he does have injury problems and is getting a little older these days so who knows?
Ginobili certainly can hold his own against Ray in stretches and probably outplay him from time to time. But again, I think you would see Rays efficiency and PER be pretty high as well if he played 32-33mpg alongside TD or another star big man. His D might not be as solid as Manu's, but not too drastically far off that his offensive game would not make up for it.
Ray isn't on the level of the Kobe, Wade, or Prime Tmac's. But I would say he is a slight cut above Manu -- unless he declines this season healthwise. The MPG will be a big factor in telling if age has indeed caught up to him.
Not a knock on Manu. He is a borderline all star player -- just not a superstar or quite on Ray's prime level. Now if Manu can rekindle that 2005 Playoff form, I might have to alter my opinion slightly
Last edited by Nikos; 10-10-2007 at 09:14 PM.
OVERALL? Celtics Big 3 of course...but this isn't a 3 on 3 tournament.
KG=Duncan
Pierce>Parker
Allen>Ginobili
That said, the Spurs depth, coaching, teamwork, and other intangibles definately give them the advantage in a matchup, basketball is about the TEAM not 3 players.
this summer the Arg NT didnt play against many good teams,did he?
they sure played well without him this year
totally different scenario will be in the Olympics.
Pretty much sums it up right here, people.
You all can argue until you're blue in the face over who you think is better than who, but when it comes down to it basketball is a team sport.
And I don't think anybody is going to argue that the Celtics have a better team than the Spurs.
Both teams have three All Stars. All other facets go in the Spurs favor...except maybe free throw shooting.
I know I like San Antonio's odds. But I'd rather just sit and wait until the games are played to find out.
Duncan>>>>>KG
Manu/Paker>>>>>Allen/Pierce
this is no contest
In the eyes of homers it never is
spurs>celtics big 3. there's no question. end of story. sorry boston...
but not really sorry at all actually.
the patriots too now that i think about it.
If you compare them individually as their components, Boston. But that's a pretty useless assessment since Boston's trio doesn't consist of a top tier PG and thus is more unbalanced.
Kind of like saying saying Shaq, Yao, Amare > Parker, Pierce, and Dwight Howard but ignoring how unbalanced the first trio is.
But, for every action there is a reaction, for every face of a coin there is a tail...
So, you say that Allen is better for you do not think Manu can perform 40 minutes (that is funny by itself coming from a Lakers fan, for Manu's arguably best game came in a game against the Kobe-Shaq lead Lakers, where Tony and Tim where out and Manu push them to the limit), anyways, I digress, you said that Ray is better for Manu can not perform for more than 28 minutes (and that is a completely biased opinion, think about it and you might come to the idea that is better for the team that he plays only 28 minutes to have better rotations or whatnot... darn, I digress again... lets start again
You say Ray is better for he was able to perform well in a sub-par team, pushing very nice numbers while Manu "can only play 28 minutes", but my point is that is a completely unfair point of view, for you do not say anything about Ray in Manu's role. Would he be willing to come from the bench to make his team better? Would he be willing to perform well coming from the bench? Would he be productive playing only 28 minutes? It is possible he never gets rhythm playing so few minutes.. etc. On the other hand, no matter how you and many people try to disguise it or invalidate it, Manu has been the go-to guy of many other teams with always the same result: a championship (and many individual awards for Him, interesting, right?)
Lastly, I would recommend you to read the Hollinger post about Manu.
I have to agree with you...
Ray for the stats, Manu for the win... what do you prefer? I'll take the win
Also, pierce is a joke, TP is a lot better imo.
People think the Celtics will do great now... i'll beat the end of the season when they barly make the playoffs. They are all smoke and no substance.
Sorry homers....I'd take a guy that can play over 40 minutes per game while carrying his team over a solid role player on a championship team. The arguement was never about replacing ray with manu...but who's the better ball player. I choose Jesus...and you choose a career 13 point player who only plays 28 mins per game. Now does he not have great games....for sure he does....but there's a reason he doesn't start and it's not just that it's better for the team BS.....
Calling who ever think diferent homer must be something smart guys do i guess...
We'll see who is right at the end of the season, i mean, if you are right, Celtics should end first on the East easy, if im right, they won't.
GL
Pretty solid arguments, we are homers, end of discussion. Amazing.
I'm with Medvedenko on this one.
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