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    4 times? 3 of those were due in no small part to two other teammates.

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    These comparisons minimize an important fact. The Spurs' Big Three play more or less "traditional" roles, with the possible exception of Parker. (Parker doesn't need to be the next John Sotckton in the Spurs' system.) Sure, Ginobili is also a slasher, but he can and does play like a traditional SG when the situation calls for it.

    In contrast, the Celtics' Big Three were all the primary options on their respective teams, and they have been allowed to do whatever they want. Despite the protests of his supporters, KG has no low post game. If he does, then why doesn't he use it? In other words, KG does not play like a traditional PF or C. Similarly, Pierce would rather take jumpshots from the perimeter, and he plays more like a SG. Allen plays like a traditional SG, but obviously, he isn't exactly known for his mental toughness. In the final analysis, you have three players who have to: 1) Adapt to a new role on a new team (this even applies to Pierce, with all of the player turnover); 2) Learn how to play together, communicate on the floor, etc.; and 3) Make some major adjustments in their playing styles so that all three can be effective on the court at the same time.

    Do you really think Doc Rivers has the leadership skills to pull this off?

    For the sake of staying on topic, I will add that individually the Celtics look pretty good, but I would take the Spurs' Big Three and their more reasonable contracts.

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    4 times? 3 of those were due in no small part to two other teammates.
    Even with Robinson and Cassel, he was the main option on those teams. And the Seattle team that lost to the Spurs in the playoffs gave them a great series, due in large part to Allen. And the two other teamate crack is funny, because I could say the same thing about anything Manu has accomplished in the NBA.

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    Except he has 4 times, twice getting out of the second round.
    Manu isnt better at anything really, except maybe not getting hurt as much
    Allen did not singlehandedly carry the Supersonics. THey were a decent team that was winning in regular season as well. they also were beating the out of Duncan when we played them in playoffs.

    Manu is better at defense, passing and in playmaking. When is the last time Allen did a sweet assist??

    But I agree Allen overall is better player because he is so much better offensively and more consistent.

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    It's pretty close.

    The thing is, Manu, TP, and TD all compliment each other very well.
    Don't really know much about the Celtics so far.

    So, I would give the slight edge to the Spurs big 3 for chemistry/experience.

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    Allen did not singlehandedly carry the Supersonics. THey were a decent team that was winning in regular season as well. they also were beating the out of Duncan when we played them in playoffs.

    Manu is better at defense, passing and in playmaking. When is the last time Allen did a sweet assist??

    But I agree Allen overall is better player because he is so much better offensively and more consistent.
    The only other player that the Sonics had was Rashard Lewis, who missed 3 games and only averaged like 17 points while shooting only 40%. Allen was that team.

    And Allen averages 4 assists a game for his career, which isnt great, but its not like he's a black hole or anything.

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    Why is the fact one plays 28 minutes and the other 40 relevant?

    The question is what kind of an impact the two players have with the minutes they are given.

    Manu in the 4th querters has a much bigger impact on the outcome of games that Ray does in the 4 quarters added up together.

    And people saying Pierce > Parker need to check themselves.

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    And Allen averages 4 assists a game for his career, which isnt great, but its not like he's a black hole or anything.
    Is he a better passer/playmaker than Manu?

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    It's pretty close.

    The thing is, Manu, TP, and TD all compliment each other very well.
    Don't really know much about the Celtics so far.

    So, I would give the slight edge to the Spurs big 3 for chemistry/experience.
    End of thread.

    Some homerific Spurs opinions propagating throughout this thread. My goodness, Ray Allen on the Spurs would be a terror. Pierce is a bit overrated but he's still a GREAT player.

    The main difference is our boys have had years of playing together, as is said above.

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    Why is the fact one plays 28 minutes and the other 40 relevant?

    The question is what kind of an impact the two players have with the minutes they are given.

    Manu in the 4th querters has a much bigger impact on the outcome of games that Ray does in the 4 quarters added up together.

    And people saying Pierce > Parker need to check themselves.
    Well if minutes arent relevant, than I guess I have to look at the stats, which he is far ahead in.
    And Im sure that if Allen was the Spurs shooting guard he wouldnt ever have an effect on games, especially in the 4th quarter.
    Manu is able to be effective because of what is around him. Allen has never had the players around him Manu has, so lets see what he does this year.

    And Tony is a better point, Pierce is a better sf, kind of hard to compare the two. But even if someone wanted to say he ws better, it doesnt make them wrong, pierce is a of a player.

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    Is he a better passer/playmaker than Manu?
    I dont know if he's better, but he can do things when he is motivated.
    Again, Manu is probably one of my top 3 players in the NBA, and I cant stand Allen, but Jesus is still one of the NBA's best players, and unless you have a Bowen, is a tough guy to stop.

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    I like our Big 12 over their Big 12, but maybe I am just naive.

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    Can't we make similar arguments about Stoudemire, Marion and Nash? How about Dirk, Howard and Harris? Not to mention Rasheed, Rip and Chauncey (with Tayshaun = Bowen)... There are plenty of teams with arguably better "Big 3's" than us, but we have beaten them all pretty routinely recently (except for Dallas).

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    If the NBA was a 3 - on -3 league, it would be really fun to watch those two trios go at each other. But it's not. In this reality, SA is a better team with a way better coach and way more championship experience. I can easily see the C's winning the East this year and I hope they do because i live in Boston, but I think the Spurs would beat them handily in the championship series.

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    word!

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    Actually Ray has better rebounds and assist #'s than Manu...plus he can actually play more than 28 mins per game. Now Manu has the benefit of playing for the Spurs with TD, TP, Finley, Bowen and Barry playing with him...of course he will have better wins and rings.

    That's weird...because Manu didn't have TD, TP, Finley, Bowen, and Barry playing with him in the Olympics and he did pretty good being the Man then....

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    That's weird...because Manu didn't have TD, TP, Finley, Bowen, and Barry playing with him in the Olympics and he did pretty good being the Man then....
    according to Rockets fans, Manu had a future hall of famer in scola

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    Manu Ginobili was ranked #9 in the ENTIRE NBA last year by Hollinger's PER statistic, which many experts think is a very accurate gauge. Not 9th among guards, 9th among everyone. So I'm not sure why Allen is better if you "go by statistics."
    Duncan is clearly better than Garnett. They are similar enough to compare, and Duncan is the player who has been able to come up with big shots in big games. Parker vs. Pierce is more difficult because they are different players. Pierce takes more shots and scores more points, but Parker shoots a higher % and is the current Finals MVP.
    If the Celtics big 3 is so great then they should have no problem representing the East this year.

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    That's weird...because Manu didn't have TD, TP, Finley, Bowen, and Barry playing with him in the Olympics and he did pretty good being the Man then....
    No but he had an entire NBA roster playing with him

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    Manu is able to be effective because of what is around him.
    I know you only care about the NBA but this statement is BS.

    Manu has been doing what he does for the Spurs for his whole life.

    In Argentina, in Italy, in the Olympics with the NT and in none of those temas he had a TD or last year's TP.

    Of course TD makes people around him better, but Manu can play the way he plays with the Spurs with any team and he has proven this time an time again.

    Allen is a much better shooter than Manu, aside from that, Manu is better in almost everything else. He is a better passer, a better defender, a better slasher, more clutch . . . you name it.

    But a big % of basketball fans put O over the rest of the aspects of the game. That is why guys like Allen or Redd are considered superstars.

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    No but he had an entire NBA roster playing with him
    Not at the time they won the gold, he didn't.

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    For me, Manu vs Allen is not clear cut. Some people prefer one over the other and viceversa.

    TD > Garnett, no arguments there.

    IMO, 2007 Parker > Pierce and I expect than that will continue going forward. I do agree that the comparison is difficult because they are such different players.

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    I know you only care about the NBA but this statement is BS.

    Manu has been doing what he does for the Spurs for his whole life.

    In Argentina, in Italy, in the Olympics with the NT and in none of those teams he had a TD or last year's TP.

    Of course TD makes people around him better, but Manu can play the way he plays with the Spurs with any team and he has proven this time an time again.

    Not only he did not have TD with him, there were instances where Tim was on the other team...

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    Pierce, Garnett and Allen stats will change playing together. Is not fair to compare stats when they were the first option in their former teams.

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