Harvey: Driving with Bruce — the road detours

[timvp]

Wasn't one...I was wrong.

I was happily wrong about that

Gladly I was wrong...

I was wrong about that

Okay...I was wrong

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[whottt]

you never admit you're wrong

I guess you'd be wrong about that....among other things.


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[timvp]

I guess you'd be wrong about that....among other things.


Many
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Hey, I didn't say I didn't appreciate your newfound ability to admit to being wrong. That should help you take it to the next level as a poster.

That said, it's quite comical that you are grasping at the Spurs signing Udoka as a way to prove timvp wrong, since Udoka was the player timvp wanted the Spurs to sign when the summer started.

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[Bruno]

Przybilla could have made even more. For example, in a sign and trade.

No, Portland hadn't bird rights on him. He get the max possible.

Link to the last time the Spurs sign a free agent in which they end up out bidding everyone?

If Spurs really wanted Przybilla, they would have offered him a 5 years contract like Portland and Detroit.

Spurs made little effort to keep SJax. Pop also compared Jackie Butler to Moses Malone. You don't think that was a coaching ploy either?

Ludden said tons of bad things about Butler very soon in the season.
Bonner said too during the playoffs that Spurs liked him and wanted to re-sign him. He said that his chances to stay were at 80%. I really doubt have said that much to Bonner without the sincere intention to re-sign him.

Link to an article stating that the Rose trade was done without any thought to financial implications?

Pop lied by saying that he won't do a trade at the deadline and traded Malik the next day.

How about everyone else on the team not named Tim, Manu or Tony?

There isn't a single player on Spurs roster outside of Elson and Butler for who you can say : "he has signed a X year contract instead of a Y year contract because of the 2008 plan."
Take one by one Spurs players and you will realize that too.

[timvp]

No, Portland hadn't bird rights on him. He get the max possible.

If Spurs really wanted Przybilla, they would have offered him a 5 years contract like Portland and Detroit.

The Bulls could have offered Przybilla more. He was supposedly second on their list.

And yeah, that's what I was telling you -- the Spurs didn't really want Przybilla. If they didn't they wouldn't have given him a laughable, low ball offer. That means the The 2008 Plan was in effect.

Ludden said tons of bad things about Butler very soon in the season.
Bonner said too during the playoffs that Spurs liked him and wanted to re-sign him. He said that his chances to stay were at 80%. I really doubt have said that much to Bonner without the sincere intention to re-sign him.

If the Spurs were still trying to open up cap room in 2008, they could have given Bonner a one year contract with a balloon payment a la Robert Horry. And that's if the Spurs were being honest.

Once upon a time the Spurs said SJax was coming back and SJax said that he could never play for another coach other than Pop. SJax then went on to him championship clinching shots ... and even that didn't save him from the salary cap monster.

Pop lied by saying that he won't do a trade at the deadline and traded Malik the next day.

That's what Pop said. But the mouthpieces at the Express-News said that the Spurs would likely still look at offers.

There isn't a single player on Spurs roster outside of Elson and Butler for who you can say : "he has signed a X year contract instead of a Y year contract because of the 2008 plan."
Take one by one Spurs players and you will realize that too.

The Spurs offered Horry less years than the Mavs. The Spurs extended Udrih for one year instead of looking to use the same amount of money to sign a real point guard. And you really think Finley, Barry, Oberto and Bowen all had their contract expire at the same time by accident? No planning at all -- just one big coincidence?

[Bruno]

The Bulls could have offered Przybilla more. He was supposedly second on their list.

Spurs offer hasn't given more leverage to Przybilla agent with Chicago because Portland still made a bigger offer.

And yeah, that's what I was telling you -- the Spurs didn't really want Przybilla. If they didn't they wouldn't have given him a laughable, low ball offer. That means the The 2008 Plan was in effect.

They offered the full MLE on 4 years instead of 5 years. It's not a laughable offer. You can make some crazy theories as much as you want but the most likely scenario by far is that they liked him but not enough to offer him 5 years.

If the Spurs were still trying to open up cap room in 2008, they could have given Bonner a one year contract with a balloon payment a la Robert Horry. And that's if the Spurs were being honest.

Not with the luxury tax. Making a one year big offer to Bonner would have cost tons of money to Spurs.

The Spurs offered Horry less years than the Mavs. The Spurs extended Udrih for one year instead of looking to use the same amount of money to sign a real point guard. And you really think Finley, Barry, Oberto and Bowen all had their contract expire at the same time by accident? No planning at all -- just one big coincidence?

Let's see :

04 summer : How can you speak about a 08 plan while Spurs had no expiring contract in 08 and two big contracts (Malik and Rasho) expiring in 09 ? the reason why Barry and Bowen signed 4 years contract is their age.

05 summer : Spurs offerred a 4 years extension to Nazr, screwing the 08 plan.
No FA Euro rookies have signed contracts longer than 3 years, Oberto signing for 3 years is logical. Finley and Horry signing for 3 years is because of their age. Spurs weren't even ready to fully guaranteed Horry's third year.

Beno's 4th year team option was cheap ($1.7M). It was the logical low risk, high reward solution.

There isn't a single player outside of Elson and Butler for who you can see a link between the length of his contract of the 2008 plan.

The existence of the 2008 plan isn't back up by facts.

[Lonestar]

Pardon me if this has been mentioned already, as I don't have time to read the whole thread but one point I think Buck Harvey ignored in this article is the acquisition of the Austin Toros. I believe that this is the training ground that the Spurs are using to train young players and develop future talent. As long as they have Tim, Tony and Manu they can work with role players. I think the Toros are a way for them to groom these players while avoiding long term, high priced mistakes. Maybe the retooling plan wasn't scrapped but changed. Sounds to me like CIA Pop, Special Agent Buford and Director of Security Holt tweaking a winner instead of trying to overhaul it.