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    well you are specualling pop said jumpshot

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    atleast he took the effort to work on his jump shot and worked on his d on the offensive
    steve smith could help him he helped him before atleast smith did something
    not sure who on this spur team I would want him to learn from

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    well you are specualling pop said jumpshot
    Now you're just makin up. Tell me where did you read that?

    Truth is, I remember Parker saying he was going to work on his shooting in the offseason.

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    he did kori has told you he did

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    it looks like he will have to again this offseason
    everyone including mj should work on their jumpshot during the summer

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    Thankfully, we'll have Beno when we need a PG who can shoot. I'm sure Parker will get all the credit though if we can manage to win the Championship.

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    actually the big three will get the credit
    manu,tp and duncan
    but you would give all the credit to beno

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    Didnt parker said he was practising on his jumpshot durin the summer last year?? i think his been practising on sumthing else.

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    he went with rose,bowen I believe to the gym

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    Didnt parker said he was practising on his jumpshot durin the summer last year?? i think his been practising on sumthing else.
    Yep. Her name is Eva.

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    do you know for a fact they met each other this summer?

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    They met in November, but that's not what this thread is about.

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    Ice, why do you hate Parker so much? Where were you're Parker sucks, Beno should start threads for the month of Jan-Feb, when Parker was playing like a stud?

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    When Parker gets doubled on the perimeter, somebody is wide open somewhere. This team needs to learn how to capitalize on that open man.

    As an aside, why don't they run those 1-1 isolation plays at the top of arc (like they do at the end of quarters) for Tony like they do for Manu?

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    Ice, why do you hate Parker so much? Where were you're Parker sucks, Beno should start threads for the month of Jan-Feb, when Parker was playing like a stud?
    Never said Parker sucks. I sure as don't remember saying Beno should start.

    I've always maintained that Parker was overrated by most fans and that he has a tendency disappear down the stretch. Sorry for having an opinion but he hasn't done much to prove me wrong.

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    IMO, if Parker if he wants to be considered an clear Superstar, he should focus more in improving his court vision and passing skills, rather than working out focused just in improving his scoring, by not doing that, he will look more like an undersized SG or just a scoring guard instead of a more complete PG.
    Last edited by Dartherus; 03-29-2005 at 09:20 AM.

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    Well I believe Tony can improve his shooting. Not many players can improve to be able to get to the rack like he can. In the next few years I believe Tony is going to really develop his all-around game. He's already improved his defense ten-fold. His jump shooting should (hopefully) improve over the next few seasons.

    You can coach shooting....you can not coach speed.

    Nuff said.

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    Another thing....look at Rose's and Bowens shooting now and compare it to 5 yrs ago.

    nuff said.

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    "you can not coach speed."

    Tony will lose his speed, and it's not terribly useful in a half-court offense that the Spurs too-often fall into. Nash isn't as nearly as fast, but his his relentless attempts to get into the paint (the way Tony does some games), to run pic n roll anywhere and everywhere make him very dangerous and effective. When Tony has those qtrs, halves, games where he doesn't try to penetrate, disappears on offense, his speed is useless.

    But, he can always hit his shots (Kerr, Nash), find the open man, move the ball to de-stabilize the defense like a Stockton. He's not hitting his jumpers and FTs enough to be the 2nd Spurs offensive option, to be an undersized scoring guard, if that's what he wants to be.

    His inconsistency and weak jumpers and FTs will hurt us badly in the playoffs, as they did vs 04 LAL, where the opponent will be focussing on stopping the Tim/Tony/Manu paint game.

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    Tony will lose his speed,
    You do not lose speed til you are 33-34 yrs old.

    Has AI lost that much?
    Even AJ was still one of the quickest PGs around well into his 30's.

    TP's shot will get better. His Ft shooting will improve as well.

    He will be twice the PG he is now, in two yrs.

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    The real numbers of Jumps Shots in the last 30 games of SA (TP donīt play few ones) are pathetic

    Since the Clippers game (32-9) trough now 52-18 his numbers are:

    Jump Shots attempts: 211
    Jump Shots made: 64
    Jump Shots missed: 147
    Jump Shots %: 30.33%

    Last 10 games: 31 of 88: 35.22%

    Since TD Injured: 10-37: 27.02%

    In 82games the Jump stat includes all the Jump attempts, Running Jumps, Jump hooks and Jump Shots, not only the Jump shots

    And in the Clutch:
    The Jump stat downs from 40.7% to 30.8%
    His Close shots from 63.8% to 33.3%
    His FG% from 48.6% to 28.9%

    For that reason he is a 75% All-Star

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    It is much much better to have penetrating PG than a jump shooting PG. TP gets to rack and five things happen, four are good, one bad. He either makes shot, passes off to teammates who shoots the three, or they get a dunk or TP he gets fouled or he misses shot. If he gets fouled, he is getting the opponent bigs in foul trouble and piling up team fouls. Bonus if he gets 3 pt play.

    A jump shooter is either going to miss, or make. I will take a 80% positve outcome over a 50% any day.

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    The reason by which he loses effectiveness without TD is that with TD in field the defense is open marking TD, however when TD is out, the defense can wait for Tony inside and they give the shot him because they know that he is better to give space to throw before to fit the mark him and that Tony surpasses them with speed

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    This thread is becomming ugly and there isn't as many french to defend Parker as argentinians to defend Manu in this forum.
    Let's first stick to the facts, Tony improved statistically in:
    _points + 1.9
    _assists +0.6
    _rebounds +0.7
    _steals +0.45
    _FG% +0.039%
    His FT%, 3P%, TO and BPG are worse.
    There is no statistics about defense but Kori and other posters keep saying that he also improved on the defensive end.
    He is putting these stats after a very bad month of november and his playing time is pretty much the same. Another thing that is a little overlooked is that he has only missed one game in the entire season.
    I know that I am a little far from the subject but some posters are just acting like Tony didn't improve his game at all this year (they will recognize themselves).
    Parker don't need excuses, he is playing his greatest year ever.

    There are also a lot of Nostradamus heirs (althought Nostradamus is french) who foresees Tony crashing in the Playoffs.
    It is a total mystery for me how Tony will play in may, june, but I remember that he had a lot of great achievments in the post-season: in his first year he dominated Gary Payton when he was still one of the top 3 PG in the league, in 2003 he outplayed Kidd in the first two games of the Finals, eventually, he was the best player on the court the first two games in the Lakers series last year.
    Why would it be wors this year?

    It's funny how often Parker's haters bring his private life when they are arguing about his game, I can't watch Desperates Housewifes from here and Eva Longoria must be really gorgeous to provoke so much jealousy.
    I never thought I will post something as long as Whoot's texts and I apologize for all the mistakes in the text.

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    Though I didn't list it as number 1, the main component to slowing Parker is how you play the pick and roll, not who you have guarding him. However, I think teams should put their better guard defender on Parker. Not because he's a better offensive player than Ginobili, but rather due to the fact that the offense runs through Parker and he uses more possessions per game than Manu.
    You are maybee right, but I don't really know if Parker uses more possesions per game than Manu. Manu shoots less, but he goes more often to the free-throw line, and you give the ball back the same way after shooting the free-throws.

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