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Dallas players + coach and owner were all disconvoluted last night, vs a team that will not even make the playoffs.
LMAO
there were a few times where passing was the right decision, but there were other times where he definitely looked like he had no interest whatsoever in putting this team on his shoulders and was content letting jason terry do the heavy lifting.
Dallas players + coach and owner were all disconvoluted last night, vs a team that will not even make the playoffs.
LMAO
It seems like Nellie's defensive strategy against us is to sell out against Dirk, I guess it's an ego thing that he can create a player and then destroy him. It would help though if Dirk could get a few foul calls when they slap, kick and hack him once he recieves the ball on the high post or out on the elbow. Dirk hasn't been nearly as assertive as he needs to be against these guys, but when he gets that much focus, his teammates need to slash and drive the lane and work to free themselves for open looks. That's partly on Dirk if he doesn't pass well out of double and triple teams, partly on his teammates if they're not doing a good job of freeing themselves. Again, a bit of progress in this area last night.
Because the Warriors like to cheat back on outlet passes and jump the passing lines in transition. They were pushing the ball because there were easy basket opportunities.Why are we getting rebounds and trying to score quickly just like them? Why don't we just walk the ball up the court and slow it down. How many times did we turn it over trying to keep up with them?
Part of Nellie's schtick is to act like he doesn't care about defense, but he definitely teaches it.
Avery isn't a rookie-year coach and you know it.I am telling you, this rookie coach is blowing our window to win a championship
true, but nellie owns the student. that win sure looked like a future loss.
Avery is new to coaching. He hasn't put in the time to be considered a veteran. How much time will Cuban give Avery to get it figured out? Dirk is at his prime. If the Mavs flame out three years in a row, would you guys consider the idea he isn't cutting it? Losing in the finals after being up 2-0 and then losing in the first round after going 67-15? Do you guys think things would have been different if we had a more experienced coach? I wonder.
What the ?
Are you re ed? What coach would we get? Avery is one of the best in the business.
I love Avery and I don't want another coach, but I definitely see contradictions among Mavs "apologists" about Avery. I don't have a better word, but the "Mavs apologists" talk out of both sides of their mouth all the time.
I heard it a few months ago where, before the GS fiasco it was "67 wins don't mean anything, it's all about the playoffs" and then immediately afterwards with talk of blowing up the team you got "Dude we won 67 games, we're doing something right!"
With Avery you get "he's a young guy who's still developing, give him time!" while simultaneously hearing "this is guy is experienced enough to lead this team to a championship".
I'm still not 100% sold on Avery, but I like the majority of what he's done and definitely hope he takes the next step. IMO he's good but still a second-tier coach in this league.
Aside from Pop, who is just flat out better than Avery?
Pat Riley & Don Nelson coached circles around him, for starters.
I'd put Jerry Sloan ahead of Avery. Maybe Rick Carlisle. Also George Karl, although alot of people would dispute that one with me.
I'd say Avery is on par with Nate McMillan, Scott Skiles, Lawrence Frank, etc, as a young coach with tons of potential but haven't quite put it all together yet.
I personally wouldn't put Phil Jackson ahead of him, but everyone else would.
Let's not forget that Avery inherited a championship ready team. How would he look as a HC if he started off with the Bucks or the Blazers?
I love Avery but he's not an elite coach yet.
Rick Carlisle is unemployed.
And Nelly wouldn't have the Mavs where they are right now with his BS "underdog" mentality. Avery has toughened this team up and has them in the right mindset. Changing that alone has him at an advantage over Nelson. We'd still be dealing with the same old BS if he were still running things.
Avery is trying to get himself and his team on the same level of consistency as Popovich. I'd say that's a pretty good goal to aim for.
Rick Carlisle???
And Avery IMO is definitely better than McMillan, Skiles, and Frank, and on par with Karl and Sloan. Once he gets 20 years under his belt like those two, hes going to be absolutely incredible.
I'd say there is Pop. Then Avery, Nellie, Karl, and Sloan. Then everyone else (im too lazy to rank them).
Maybe so, but he got his team past the Spurs and Suns in a vicious WC 2 years ago and utilitized Dirk well enough to get him the MVP last year. Even in Nelson's happy, fun-run-and-gun system, neither of those would have been possible.
So is Larry Brown. You wanna put Avery ahead of him?
I don't think he's necessarily a bad coach either. He was definitely outcoached by Riley, but unless your last name is Popovich or Jackson, that's nothing new. As for Nellie, I think a far bigger factor than any failings on Avery's part (and yes, there were a few tactical mistakes) was his very thorough understanding of our personnel.
He's got his strengths and his weaknesses.
Give McMillan, Skiles, Frank, Carlisle a championship ready team in their first year of coaching and you just might have a different opinion of them.
I'm not trying to knock Avery, but he's just not a top level coach yet. in my opinion.
You are re ed for thinking he is a top coach. I am not the only one who suspects some of the things Avery is doing. He is an up and coming young coach who inherited a talented team. Look at what has happened the last two years. We have just set the WORST collapse record in the history of the NBA. We thought the collapse the previous year was bad. Last year was much worse. Just think, whenever people talk about top seeds falling to lower seeds, there will never be one to top last year. EVER!!!!!! That is unforgiveable.
I don't necessarily see a contradiction. If anything, that seems to be nothing more than two opposing schools of thought. Here's my attempt at synthesis:I heard it a few months ago where, before the GS fiasco it was "67 wins don't mean anything, it's all about the playoffs" and then immediately afterwards with talk of blowing up the team you got "Dude we won 67 games, we're doing something right!"
67 wins means you're an elite team. Losing in the first round of the playoffs to a good, but not great, Warrior team, means you have flaws that were exposed in the worst way. Because of the personnel and the matchups, Dallas really has to bring their A game to beat GS, whereas against other teams at the same level like New Orleans, they can play a mediocre game and still coast to victory. You win that many games, it creates reasonable expectations that a le is within reach. Let's be reasonable: the Warriors are not the 86 Celtics, but they have a good amount of talent and they play an unusual style that hits us at our Achilles heel. I think we lose this game last year, but we pulled it out last night. And other teams are going to run this blueprint at us, so we're going to keep seeing it. Only way to get better is to constantly train against it.
I've personally never heard anyone say Avery is "experienced" enough to coach this team to a le, just that he's good enough. How many Spurs fans here claimed he outcoached Pop and how many Mavs fans are calling him a troglydyte after the past two series? It's clear that Cuban has put his eggs in the Avery/Dirk basket for now, and the only thing that could make him reconsider is another spectacular playoff flameout.With Avery you get "he's a young guy who's still developing, give him time!" while simultaneously hearing "this is guy is experienced enough to lead this team to a championship"
Then get the off the wagon and don't come back. You stick with your team through thick and thin. You don't gloss over failings and hold back fair criticism, but you don't refuse to recognize strengths as well. Avery's a good coach, nothing more, nothing less.
I see Avery as more of a player's coach than a strategist, but he seems to be watching Pop and learning from him. Bringing Terry off the bench, for example, reminds me a lot of Pop's decision to do the same with Manu.
But, if the Mavs fall short of expectations yet again it will be hard for him to maintain the trust of his players and his greatest strength as a coach (his ability to motivate them) will be severely compromised. Anything short of a WCF or Finals victory and Cuban will probably start searching for a replacement.
Speaking purely as a Pacers' fan, I wouldn't want Brown or Carlisle. They are better tacticians than Avery, but they lose a team after 2-3 years with their at ude and inflexibility. If I were running a crap team and wanted to make it respectable, I bring in Brown or Carlisle for 3-4 years. I wouldn't pin any championship hopes on either.
Even though he inherited a solid team, he completely changed the team as well. Nelly had a run-and-gun, no defense, no rebounding style pouned into everyones heads when Avery took over. Avery changed all of those habits and turned the team into a half-court offense that takes smart shots and exploits mis-matches. And now the team is consistently at the top of the defensive and rebounding rankings. Plus, look at how many players remain from the team Nelly built... ONE. Thats Dirk. Everyone else on this team has been either Donnie, Mark, or Avery, and Avery has been the one working at developing guys like Howard and Harris (not to mention how Nelly totally ed Harris' psyche up by benching him for no reason after starting him for a month.) Sure Harris wasn't always the most mature player on the court, but thats expected of rookies, and thats how you develop them... not by just benching them and never playing them.
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