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A Damn good game. It sucks that we lost though...
A Damn good game. It sucks that we lost though...
I was just talking with the dude working at the convenience store across the street when I went to get some smokes, he is a lifetime Ravens fan, and he was telling me that only the head coach or a player on the field can call a time out. Currently checking some sites to see if this is true, and if it is, then Baltimore certainly got SNIP screwed by the refs.
Last edited by J.T.; 12-04-2007 at 04:09 PM.
So unless Billick called timeout to a different ref, it should have never happened.
That seems to be true. In 2004 they modified the rules to say that only the head coach could call timeouts from the sideline.
It doesn't really matter; after that review of what was clearly not a catch in-bounds, it seems clear that the outcome wasn't really in doubt. It's looking more and more like Karma's the only thing that the Patriots have to fear.
Please edit the slur from your post. It's beneath you.
I think he was talking about the play where if the timeout hadn't been called the game would had been over. It was 4th down and we had just stopped Brady.
The NFL's response is that they instruct their officials to grant last-minute timeout requests from the sideline regardless of who calls them, despite the 2004 rule.
This is because the head linesmen usually will only catch the signal out of the corner of his eye.
I would imagine it's being shouted at him at the same time. In that instant, I doubt that the official has time to check to ensure that it's the head coach who is making the timeout call -- and in most instances, I doubt that the team requesting the timeout would want the official to verify that fact before blowing the whistle.
In any event, even if only the head coach can call timeout, the fact of the matter is that the official blew the whistle last night in response to a clear timeout signal from the Baltimore bench. Once that whistle blew, the play had to be over, even if the official was wrong to award the timeout that was clearly requested. It's not a matter of an official screwing the Ravens; it's a matter of an official doing what was requested of him in an instant. And the arguments about the propriety of that call are all revisionist history; if the Pats had somehow managed to score on that play, Baltimore fans and Patriots Haters alike would be livid about the fact that the timeout hadn't been awarded.
They are who we thought they were! And we let 'em off the hook!
The Patriots are gonna have their hands full with the Steelers.
It's generally ackowledged that officials ignore the "head coach only" rule routinely and nobody squawks about it. That the Raven coaching staff didn't complain about it after the fact attests to that. I suspect they'll probably change the rule to allow any coach to call time out, so that it matches the practice.
What was funny to me was the reaction by the Raven defense after they realized timeout had been called. I thought they were literally about to run over and throttle Ryan (not that I necessarily blame them). I think that team is dangerously close to an implosion.
Not like it's going now you didn't...
I think the Pats are starting to show their age on defense, especially at the LB and SS position. Their key leaders, Harrison, Bruschi, Vrabel... are all older guys and might be starting to slow. I wonder if the pressure of the undefeated streak and all the energy expended trying to show up the spy-gate talkers has run the tank lower than usual for this time of year? Their defense has never been great this year, but it looks worse now than in the 1st half of the season.
You struggled against the redskins (52-7) and an Aaron Rodgers' led team. You're probably playing better now but nothing indicates the outcome would be any different.
The pats struggles are mostly due to the fact that those teams want to be the ONE that knocks them off, like I said earlier, Reid said his objective was to shut down "the pats are the greatest team ever" and the ravens said it was their "superbowl". The pats on the other hand are so much favored (by more than 20pts) that they think they've already won and don't put enough effort (except in the 4th qtr).
That was the indication that our defense can still get it done when it matters.
I can't wait to see the steelers' game because I can't use the excuse that they didn't get up for PIT. We shall wait and see. My guts tell me this game won't be close.
I really hate to speculate on what should happen when in fact we can just wait and see instead of arguing moot points.
If the pats meet the cowboys, we will see if the outcome changes, but until then, you have to admit you got beat and move on.
You might have a point in this. Most of the players of the teams that chased the undefeated record have all said how draining that pressure was and were all relieved when they lost because they felt each game they played was a playoff game. And I'm starting to see the same on the patriots. Each team they face is in playoff mode, and the ravens and eagles all looked like 10-2 teams to me.
Maybe we can have a "good loss" to get over with this insanity of undefeated season and focus on the playofs.
The Patriots are setting themselves up for disappointment, trying so hard to say " the NFL!" with a 16-0 record and then get bounced in the playoffs. San Diego could abuse them with the run game is Norv Turner gives LT adequate carries. The Colts and Steelers could pull it off, since both will probably be looking for rematch blood.
It would be tragic if they spend all that time denying that they want 16-0, break all of those records, only to be eliminated in a game that really matters.
I don't think they'll make it to 16-0. I don't think they'll make it to 13-0.
I just realized this week that the Patriots are built like a dome team. Sunday in Foxboro it will be rainy and windy with temperatures in the 30's. FieldTurf or not, they're going down.
the pats were a couple dropped passes away from a rout... you guys forgot ben watson dropping every other pass?
I think it would be pretty funny.It would be tragic if they spend all that time denying that they want 16-0, break all of those records, only to be eliminated in a game that really matters.
he dropped most of those due to good hits and defense. there was really only one that he flat out dropped, but it was a terrible pass.
Somehow I can't help but think the Patriots are going to end up being the NFL's answer to the 06-07 Dallas Mavericks... dominating season and playoff meltdown.I think it would be pretty funny.
Colts to play the role of the Spurs, obviously.
I'd be ok with that too!
Although if NE drops a playoff game, I see it happening in the AFC Championship game.
Peyton chokes more than Dirk, are you kidding me?
They won a superbowl inspite of him.
lurkers should keep on lurker because lurkers don't have a clue what they're talking about. Back to lurking, lurker.
How quickly you forget how he leads his team back from 21-3, completes the final drive with a banged up thumb on this throwing arm, beats your team and goes on to lead his team to a Super Bowl win.
He has definitely shed the choker label, especially if you look at how many games in the last season or two that the Colts have trailed in and came back to win.
I'm not saying he's a choker, but he still hasn't proven to me he is a reliable playoff performer. He literally played only one really good half of football in the entire playoffs last year. He sucked against the Chiefs. He sucked against Baltimore. He was decent in the SB, but at the same time, he didn't really do anything special. He's definitely the best QB in the NFL, but still hasn't proven himself as an elite playoff performer.
LMAO, let's compare him to Dirk a little bit if you allow me:
he's clutch in the season no doubt, but never when it matters. He and Dirk have won games for their teams in the regular season for sure.
And regarding the AFC championship game, Dirk did the same in beating the spurs, only to choke in the finals like Peyton did but fortunetely for Manning he was lucky to have clutch teamates (unlike NOWIZKI) and the worst QB on the other team. The MVP for the colts was either Addai or Grossman.
I'll wait this year's playoffs to see if he's not a choker anymore.
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