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per game: 25 pg 8 rbs 3 ast
I'm just curious what people think. But if Manu played his typical 28-30 MPG in an up-tempo system like the Suns, what would his numbers look like?
Obviously, this is simply hypothetical, since D'Antoni has never heard of subs utions or limiting players minutes, but I'm still curious.
per game: 25 pg 8 rbs 3 ast
His assists average would increase not decrease... even with Nash on the team.
32-33 MPG
24 PPG
6.1 RPG
6.0 APG
2 SPG
2.5 TPG
All a guess of course....
well, you pretty much called out my reasoning
He'd probably average less on the Suns. Coming off the bench for the Spurs, he has the ball in his hands a ton and gets a huge amount of touches throughout the game. On the Suns, every possession goes through Steve Nash so Ginobili's playmaking opportunities would be far limited. Players who score a lot on the Suns are players who are strictly finishers who don't create much of their own offense ... for example, Shawn Marion. Ginobili would be lucky to get half the touches on the Suns that he gets on the Spurs. And I haven't even taken into account the Tim Duncan effect of making the game easier for everyone on the Spurs, without having to even touch the ball.
And really, Ginobili is already fourth in the league is points per minute behind LeBron, Kobe and Boozer. LeBron is averaging .77 points per minute, while Ginobili averages .72 points per minute. There really isn't that much room for improvement. Plus, he's not a chucker and I don't think the Spurs are holding him back from scoring at all. He's pretty much in the most optimal position. While a faster pace could help, Ginobili isn't much of a gunner ... he's more of a player who dissects the other team's defense.
I seriously couldn't think of a better situation for Ginobili ... just as I can't think of a player I'd rather having playing Ginobili's role rather than Ginobili.
If Manu were on the Suns, he wouldn't be the Manu we know. I cannot imagine the Suns would give the ball to Manu rather than Nash during clutch time.
Forget his stats, imagine the ratings!
21-25 PPG 7-10 ASST 3-4 REB. but i hope that never happens.
If Nash were on the Spurs, what would he average?
A championship per year.
I like both Manu and Nash, but I don't think they can co-exist in a team.
How would the corpse of Wilt Chamberlain fare in today's game?
10 PPG and 14 RPG IMHO, Spurs should sign him.
If Manu played for D'Antoni, he'd be playing 38-42 mpg and would be completely out of gas by mid-February.
This guy is good...
Last edited by SouthernFried; 12-09-2007 at 06:18 PM.
25 ppg, 6 rpg, 8 apg, 3 spg, #1 Stunna on the Suns.
0 Rings.
You will note the second part of my initial post.
That's the thing though.... Manu is such a special player and fully capable of adapting to any style of play; personally I'd imagine that Ginobili would be able to carve out a role for himself on any team, in any style. He is Mr. Efficient.
I still don't see how Nash's presence would diminish his own abilities. For example, Manu is a much better passer than Diaw or Barbosa, and yet they too are able to create for others on the Suns. You mention Marion's unique 'dependence' on Nash, now imagine Ginobili feeding him or Stoudemire off of pick 'n rolls... I believe that Ginobili is as creative as Nash. I just think that he picks his spots and dramatically restrains that aspect of his game for the best of the team (1, to cut back on turnovers and 2, to prevent Pop from having a cardiac arrest every trip down the floor). If anything, the Suns' particular run'n'gun style could probably unleash a 'flashier' Ginobili - if such a thing were possible. Imagine how many lob passes he could throw to Stoudemire or Marion... Ginobili like Barry, are exceptional lob passers but unfortunately our personnel (the Spurs' bigs) don't complement that type of play (Oberto and Duncan - short hops, and Elson - bad hands).
I agree that Ginobili is in the perfect situation (I wouldn't want it any other way); but it would be hard to say that he couldn't succeed to the same degree if he were on a team like the Suns. It diminishes the value of his versatility and his uniqueness. His compe ive fire alone would be enough to make that team championship worthy and perhaps even take them over the proverbial hump.
Having said that, it's all very speculative anyway. One thing is for sure, Ginobili's game never fails to surprise me... Which is why whenever he is on the floor, you can never count that team out.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 12-09-2007 at 11:28 PM.
With Nash feeding him the ball, Manu could easily average 25pts per game.
can't disagree more. Ginobilli is a way above average finisher and would get 10 points on the break alone. Add in his 3 point shooting and cutting ability and he averages 25ppg without a problem. Guys like Marion and the rest of the scrubs would get less. Also, Ginobilli would more than likely be the backup PG in Phoenix.
Nash cannot play with a sg, like Manu, Kobe, Tmac, or Wade.
I think Ray Allen is probably a perfect fit for Nash!
How he be allow on team with such coach as the Dantoni? He not allow player the understand what defense be.
Manu would do just fine on the Suns. It is ridiculous to think that he and Nash could not exist on the floor at the same time. Nash would get him so many open looks and Manu could be the backup point guard and have plenty of scorers to get assists off of. The Suns share the ball just fine, Nash is not a ballhog and Hill is getting quite a few assists himself while playing with and without Nash on the floor as is Barbosa. Manu seems like the kind of player who likes to go full speed and would increase his scoring if he played on the Suns in my opinion.
if he played on the suns?
dont cry too me when bowen feet shuffleshis ass
I thought Manu was already on a team with D'Antoni in Italy and they did well together. So I think they could co-exist. And overall, its hard for me to imagine a team that Manu couldn't contribute on.
I think if his stats were really to explode it would be on a young athletic team like Atlanta that could his use his talent and leadership.
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