Duncan sits, Bonner shines, Manu plays like trash

[smeagol]

Well then, you're a fool. The only reason ANY GM takes Manu over McGrady or Carter is because they make way more money. Otherwise McGrady and Carter would destroy Manu. We've seen the previous 2 games where Manu shot what... 28%...? Bottom line: he can't carry a franchise like both of those 2 have done.

edit: Almost forgot to comment on the MJ thing. I hope you mean closest thing to MJ on the Spurs. If not, I'm going to have to go ahead and laugh at your basketball knowledge.

So Manu is only judged on his crappy games?

It is a waste of time even responding to you.

You would do very nicely in the Troll Forum. I'm beginning to think you are somebody else's troll.

[Cherry]

Carter has been known to quit on his team, but when has Manu faced a situation where he's been on a terrible team year after year? The answer is never. So it isn't really fair to compare that aspect. It isn't really fair to say Manu is the major reason those teams have won either. Argentina has some good players on their squad. We all know with the Spurs, Duncan is the be all and end all, as for the Euroleague, who really gives a ? That's garbage basketball. I can't disagree that Manu is a better leader than McGrady, because Manu is the leader of that argentina squad, but I'm sure you also can agree that Manu has nowhere near the talent and physical gifts McGrady has.

I give Manu props on the gold, but let's be real... the US doesn't send their best players, or they would destroy everyone. The year they beat the USA, Stephon Marbury and Allen Iverson were featured players on the team. Need I say more?

You still don't get it, right?

Nobody in this world is better that US players.
But is not about the best players, is about the best Team

[m33p0]

[Mister Sinister]

That looks pretty badass. Save'd!

[Ignignokt]

That looks pretty badass. Save'd!

Shagaya's mouth is watering over that acreage of hard mandingo warrior meat in that picture.

[TheAuthority]

Not only that, this is like those threads where we have Bonner or TP playing like Garbage and you see comments like "I knew he would play like garbage so he's no good for teh team, we should trade right away. The when they have a monster game, I knew he would bounce back or they dissapear altogether"

This thread DOES NOT deliver.

Try reading it a bit better. While you're at it, try using different terminology instead of internet nerd slang such as "fail".

Look at box scores from Kobe's, Tmacs games - they shoot 20, 30 times and score 50%, total 30 pts out of 30 attempts. If they would score in every single attempt, they would get 60 pts a game which doesnt happen too often.

You fail to mention they are every defenses #1 option to stop, night in and night out. Andrew Bynum isn't exactly Tim Duncan.

Yes, you watch a lot of BB.

Yes, I do.

This post smells fail. The US doesn't send their best players overseas because they would never make the same kind of money. Those US players who play overseas usually have failed in the US - didn't get picked up during drafts, etc. They come back once they are old or have achieved a great status in Europe to make even more money than they could ever make in Europe. Thanks for your time.

Wow... make sense much? What are you... foreign?

[TheAuthority]

So Manu is only judged on his crappy games?

We can judge him on crappy or great games, the bottom line is... he can't hold McGrady or Carter's jock.

[TheAuthority]

You still don't get it, right?

Nobody in this world is better that US players.
But is not about the best players, is about the best Team

Yes, and the best TEAM would be the USA, if they chose to send all of their best players.

[TheAuthority]

Damn, that team was garbage.

[smeagol]

We can judge him on crappy or great games, the bottom line is... he can't hold McGrady or Carter's jock.

Sure he can't . . .

[smeagol]

Damn, that team was garbage.

Stupider by the minute . . .

[ambchang]

42% FG, 35% 3pt FG is terrible. Sorry, there just isn't any arguing it.

Why not, because you said so? Because 35 3pt FG is league average and Horry launches an unnaturally high # of FGs from 3s, which statistically pulls down his average?

He earned... I would say, about half. The others he flailed because of minimal contact, or he initiated that contact himself, and got to the line. Moral of the story: 20 free throws is ridiculous. No matter what.

Why is that? You seem to be making up random "rules" about what is acceptable is what is not. So even if by your admission half of them is waranted, why would you say he scored 20 points on 21 shots? Why not count 1/2 the FTs? Why none in the 1st place and 1/2 now? Why does everybody else has to run by what you deem as acceptable?

Deserved? Nobody deserves 20 free throws.

Again, why not? If he gets fouled on 10 shot attempts, then he deserved 20 FTs. Teams are known to purposedly rough up certain players, and 20 FTAs is not anything unrealistic. It happens quite a few times.

Let's see, taking the Raptors... who had absolutely nobody on their team, no business being in the position they were, 1 shot away from the NBA finals? Alvin Williams was clearly the man on that squad. My mistake. Silly me.

I would appreciate it if would actually research things about the player you jock, the Raptors were a shot away from the ECF, not the Finals. And that was in the EAST, where the 76ers made the finals that year lead by another one man team with a notably weaker supporting cast than the Raptors. Hey, and how convenient for you to ignore the contributions of Antonio Davis (all star, Charles Oakley (Who busted Carter's ass, noted by how the Raptors nosedived out of contention with Oakley traded), Mo Pete, Mark Jackson, etc ...
Besides, one man teams making the ECSF is not really that impressive, in that same year, Iverson made it to the finals and the Hornets led by Jamal Mashburn had the same success as the Raptors.

You really need to brush up on your basketball, bro. VC wasn't the man in college. Jamison was. Don't spew re ed bull around when you don't know what you're talking about.

Did I say Carter was the man? See those quotes, it meant that I said he wasn't even the man in COLLEGE. Get it now?
BTW, tell me again about Carter's near miss to the finals?

Daniel Gibson and Prince play the same position? Nice example, moron. rofl And no, I want Bonner over Horry, because Horry is ing done. He's been done for a good 2 years now.

when did I say they had to play the same position? YOU were the moron who compared the two players based on shooting 3pters, it wasn't me. Hey, if you want same position, fine, you want Gibson over Baron Davis?

Yes, 35% from 3 is terrible. And no, I was saying nobody should get 20 free throws, and pointing out he shot 9-21... and that he had half of his points come from the foul line.

What is your point? I don't care if he was shooting 9-21, the Spurs won, and he earned 20 FTs. What rule in the NBA said nobody should get 20 FTs?
And you continue to argue 35% from 3 is terrible, despite the fact that it's league average/

Who was arguing that? I certainly wasn't. Learn to read a little better.

YOU were arguing that. YOU said

You need to learn to read a bit better. I didn't compare Manu to Carter. That would not be fair to Manu. For one, Carter is better than he is. For another, one gives good effort 90% of the time, the other gives good effort 22% of the time. One shoulders all of the defenses attention, the other has a ton of help around him. It isn't really fair to compare the 2.

In justifying why Carter > Manu despite similar #s.

Sorry, in the grand scheme of things, Horry has earned nothing, besides being the biggest coattail rider of all-time. What's his career scoring average? 9 points a game? ROFL

What does PPG has to do with anything? Ben Wallace was a coattail rider? Bruce Bowen was one? Horry hit timely shots time after time. You think he was just being lucky? Anybody with any knowledge of basketball would have noticed that Horry:
1) Was a superb low post defender.
2) Smart player who positions himself at the right spots.
You saw him play in Houston? He killed the opposition with his combination of size and quickness. Then he reinvented himself with the Lakers by bulking up and played the PF position to complement Shaq. When he was with the Spurs, he paired up with Duncan and allowed Duncan to dominate the lowpost with Horry roaming the perimeter.

I still don't get where you came to the conclusion I believe 22% > 90%.

Then why is Carter better than Manu? One of your arguments was because Carter gave 22% effort vs. Manu giving 90%.

You need to learn to read a bit better. I didn't compare Manu to Carter. That would not be fair to Manu. For one, Carter is better than he is. For another, one gives good effort 90% of the time, the other gives good effort 22% of the time. One shoulders all of the defenses attention, the other has a ton of help around him. It isn't really fair to compare the 2.

Know what, we can't compare the two, because one plays halfassed, and the other goes fullout, and guess what? The halfassed guy is better.

[ambchang]

Maybe I should have clarified a bit better. 35% is terrible when the good majority of your looks are wide open. How many players on that list you just made up get wide open looks? Here, I'll answer it for you, 0.

Also, I definitely would classify everyone on that list as a sub-par to bad 3 point shooter, besides Larry Bird.

No, you are not clarifying, you are backpaddling.

This is your direct response to my question "Weren't you arguing that 35% 3 pt shooting is terrible when that is league average?"

Yes, 35% from 3 is terrible.

[ambchang]

Take the Manu blinders off and start bringing something relevant to the table. Like the rebuttal to Manu playing like absolute trash, 3 games in a row. Where has he impacted the game in these last 3? Besides, you know, handing the ball directly to the other team for easy buckets on their end.

Duncan was 8 and 5 in 20 mins last game, had 5 and 5 vs. the Lakers with 4 TO and 3 PF, then followed that game up with 24 points (but on a poor slightly decent 11-21 shooting, compared to 9-21 of Ginobili), but only 5 rebounds, and had 5 TOs vs. the Mavs. Duncan is absolutely USELESS.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Why are people STILL arguing with this idiot??

[Demo Dick Marcinko]

Stupider by the minute . . .

sshhh he's the THE AUTHORITY of ignorance is bliss.

[Demo Dick Marcinko]

Why are people STILL arguing with this idiot??

They're not arguing with him, their talking him down off that ledge.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Wow... make sense much? What are you... foreign?

As far as trying to reason with you, I see there's no point. You lack pure basketball knowledge and credible people in this forum have already put you in your place. That has to say something.

About your comment above, I detect some disguised xenophobia behind your words - I can tell you now that's not going to fly in this place. You can post your ignorance all you want and Kori in all her mercy will let you continue posting in this forum but if you choose to go down the path of racism, xenophobia, and being divisive, I would recommend you to back up and think twice.

You have just been stamped with the seal of failure.

[TheAuthority]

Sure he can't . . .

He's proving it game after game.

[TheAuthority]

So even if by your admission half of them is waranted, why would you say he scored 20 points on 21 shots? Why not count 1/2 the FTs? Why none in the 1st place and 1/2 now? Why does everybody else has to run by what you deem as acceptable?

To point out that half of those points were handed to him at the stripe. How many times do I have to answer the same exact questions from you over and over again?

Again, why not? If he gets fouled on 10 shot attempts, then he deserved 20 FTs.

But he didn't.

I would appreciate it if would actually research things about the player you jock, the Raptors were a shot away from the ECF, not the Finals.

The bucks had no one on their team that could have checked Carter. That series would have been done quick, and would have had a variety of clips of Carter booming on Tim Thomas.

And that was in the EAST, where the 76ers made the finals that year lead by another one man team with a notably weaker supporting cast than the Raptors.

UM ROFL... noticably weaker supporting cast? Do you just talk out of your ass casually, and sort of try to play it off as something that is actually true? The Raptors starting line-up consisted of the following players:
C-Antonio Davis
PF-Charles Oakley
SF-Vince Carter
SG-Alvin Williams
PG-Chris Childs

Just looking at that line-up makes me laugh.

Hey, and how convenient for you to ignore the contributions of Antonio Davis (all star, Charles Oakley (Who busted Carter's ass, noted by how the Raptors nosedived out of contention with Oakley traded), Mo Pete, Mark Jackson, etc ...

Davis was decent. He made the All-Star team by default. I remember Jamal Magloire making it the same way. Oakley, terrible. Reminds me a lot of Horry now. Morris Peterson, played 13 minutes per game. Mark Jackson wasn't even on the team. etc ...

Besides, one man teams making the ECSF is not really that impressive, in that same year, Iverson made it to the finals and the Hornets led by Jamal Mashburn had the same success as the Raptors.

I'm not exactly sure why you're singling out the Hornets and trying to degrade them? They had a ton of talent on that team. And I'm sure you just started watching basketball, but I remember a time when Jamal Mashburn was a top 25 player.

Did I say Carter was the man? See those quotes, it meant that I said he wasn't even the man in COLLEGE. Get it now?

Very nice attempt. Unfortunately I'm going to expose you for the dumbass you are. Here is what you said.
" , start with his college days when he was "the man"."

Now, if you were going to try to play it off like you were saying he wasn't even the man in college, you would have had to have worded it differently. You didn't. Therefore, I win.

when did I say they had to play the same position? YOU were the moron who compared the two players based on shooting 3pters, it wasn't me. Hey, if you want same position, fine, you want Gibson over Baron Davis?

Wow your arguments are absolutely terrible. Nobody said they had to play the same position, it was supposed to be recognized as common sense. Considering that comment stemmed from me wanting Bonner over Horry. And now you're comparing Baron Davis to Daniel Gibson? Wow, you're spot on.

What is your point? I don't care if he was shooting 9-21, the Spurs won, and he earned 20 FTs.

If you considering flailing your arms around and acting earning them, then I suppose.

What rule in the NBA said nobody should get 20 FTs?

The one where Spurs fans everywhere were outraged when Dirk did it in the playoffs.

And you continue to argue 35% from 3 is terrible, despite the fact that it's league average/

And you continue to type on and on about it after I've given you an explanation for it 15 different times previously.

YOU were arguing that. YOU said



In justifying why Carter > Manu despite similar #s.

Manu and Vince Carter have similar numbers? What world are you living in? Carter's career numbers destroy Manu's.

What does PPG has to do with anything? Ben Wallace was a coattail rider? Bruce Bowen was one?

2 absolutely TERRIBLE examples. They're both all-nba first team defense all of the time. One has won like 4 DPOY. Are you going to argue Horry is even CLOSE to the defender either of them are? Has he ever even made an all-defense THIRD team? OK, I didn't think so. Accept defeat, move on.

Horry hit timely shots time after time. You think he was just being lucky?

Truthfully? Yes.

Anybody with any knowledge of basketball would have noticed that Horry:
1) Was a superb low post defender.
2) Smart player who positions himself at the right spots.

Never said he wasn't either of those things. Although superb is going too far.

You saw him play in Houston? He killed the opposition with his combination of size and quickness.

... HAHA.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. He killed them man! To the tune of a whopping 10 points per game! Wooooooo! Unstoppable! He was a regular LeBron James back in that day, boy!

Then why is Carter better than Manu? One of your arguments was because Carter gave 22% effort vs. Manu giving 90%.

Well, let's see... probably because, despite his lack of effort, his career scoring average is 24 points per game, as opposed to Manu's 14. He also puts up better numbers in almost every other area. This is silly to even argue. Carter is head and shoulders above him.

Know what, we can't compare the two, because one plays halfassed, and the other goes fullout, and guess what? The halfassed guy is better.

14PPG > 24PPG

[TheAuthority]

As far as trying to reason with you, I see there's no point. You lack pure basketball knowledge and credible people in this forum have already put you in your place. That has to say something.

Put me in my place? Boy, have they ever. I had to take some time off from the site to tend to my emotional wounds. Just kidding, I've schooled them on every single point that I've made.

About your comment above, I detect some disguised xenophobia behind your words - I can tell you now that's not going to fly in this place. You can post your ignorance all you want and Kori in all her mercy will let you continue posting in this forum but if you choose to go down the path of racism, xenophobia, and being divisive, I would recommend you to back up and think twice.

Let me break it down for you. There's no disgusing going on. Yes, I am a racist. I am a filthy racist. Yes, I hate foreigners. Illegal immigrants America's economy up. They have no right to be here. Getting banned from an obscure forum on the internet really isn't any sweat off my balls. This is just something I go to when I'm insanely bored. If I was banned and I cared about being banned, I'd just access the site via proxy and continue to post.

You have just been stamped with the seal of failure.

You have just been slapped with my on your forehead.

[smeagol]

He's proving it game after game.

He is proving what . . .?

McGrady was part of a 20 pt losing streak?

VC is a pussy who is known to put little effort on purpose because he is pissed off with his team.

Manu has accomplished 10 times more than what those two have. With and without Tim.

Again, in case you missed it, no Manu = less rings for the Spurs. That is a fact, wether your slow mind can grasp it or not.

[smeagol]

To point out that half of those points were handed to him at the stripe. How many times do I have to answer the same exact questions from you over and over again?

So he goes to the basket, is fouled, but the resulting points from th FTs should not count?

Ok . . .

But he didn't.

Says who? You . . . ?

Ok . . . I forgot, you are the authority

[smeagol]

TA, quit making us believe you are a Spurs fan.

[TheAuthority]

Again, in case you missed it, no Manu = less rings for the Spurs. That is a fact, wether your slow mind can grasp it or not.

So Duncan didn't win a ring without him?

TA, quit making us believe you are a Spurs fan.

I am a Spurs fan. Fans have the right to critique players harshly. Nobody should feel sorry for pro athletes. They make millions of dollars to play a game.