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The best way to avoid a fight is to always be willing to fight one...
I've read his platform...
But I saw him say clearly and with distinction...they don't want us there, we should leave.
That lost him my vote right there....I don't agree with that mindset...and it's going to be a huge mistake.
Who is he referring too?
It doesn't matter to me what any other stance of his is on any other issue, once those comments came out of his mouth.
Doesn't matter what his stance is on gun control...doesn't matter what his stance is on marijuana...or taxes...it matters most what his stance is on that, to me. That is the exact same stance Kerry had...
Yeah I like Paul's the UN at ude....but it's not enough.
And all it's going to do is reinforce the belief that America no longer has the stomach for war...which is going to embolden those that are our enemies. And we do have enemirs..and we had them before the Iraq war, we had them when we minded our own business, we had them before Bush was elected to office.
Mark my words...it's a huge mistake to pull out of Iraq...a huge mistake. For us, for the Iraquis.
After we went into Iraq, we lost the ability to not go into Iraq. It's a decision that cannot be changed.
Bush would have been voted out in his butt had his opponent not been a guy advocating a pull out.
I could care less who voted for it or who didn't as it pertains to the current situation...it's about making it count for something...and pulling out, does not do that.
The best way to avoid a fight is to always be willing to fight one...
No...it's not a mistake yet...once we pull out it will be.
We pull out, and something worse takes it place...then it was mistake.
And if we pull out...that's exactly what is going to happen.
And if you don't think there is going to be a huge uproar around the world when that moment comes...
They are not going to say, props America for doing the right thing...
They are going to call us cowards, weak, with stomach for doing what needs to be done, unfit to be the leader of the free world and this lost war will be held over our heads by all who seek that authority....and all enemies of our way of life...of which there are many.
We'll be the Buffalo Bills...we'll be Ivan Lendl after he could no longer win a match.
The voices I hear against this war around the world...I don't want those people to like us.
I don't want Hugo Chavez to like us.
I don't want the President of Iran to like us.
I don't want Jacque Chiraq or Kofi Anan to like us.
I don't want Usama Bin Laden to like us.
Those guys are s bag lowlifes.
And once we pull out of everything...we will no longer be the authority...I just hope the authority that succeeds us is as benevolent as this country was...I doubt it will be, this is just about the most uncorrupt country that has ever been a world leader.
But anyway...if the will is gone to be the leader of the free world then we don't deserve it...and the day we pull out will be that day.
You guys will instantly blame Bush for taking us into the war in the first place...
But that won't be when we lost it...we'll lose it when we pull out.
And it will be something worse that comes into power...
Afghanistan...only with more money.
Why? Because people hated Bush more than they wanted to do the right thing...
Only Bush won't ever pay the price you want him to pay...America will pay that price.
Last edited by whottt; 12-22-2007 at 02:10 AM.
So do you want America to stay in Iraq forever?
Well...we've been in South Korea for 50 years, Western Europe for 50 years...Japan for 50 years...
Are those, or are those not, the regions of the World with the highest standards of living?
All with people trying to get there by the boatload...where most of the counteries we have issues with...people are trying to get out by the boatload...
Has that not kept us out of World Wars where hundreds upon thousands of Americans were killed because of the disputes between other countries?
There is scant little evidence that the American military being in a country a as a stabilizing force lowers it's quality of life.
Personally I don't want to be there after we are no longer needed....they won't appreciate it and they'll produce a bunch of intellectuals that will spin crap and an entirely different(but much less dangerous) form of anti-americanism will emerge from their intellectuals...
But staying until they are the jewel of the middle east and because of that there is tremendous pressure put on every mid-eastern leader for Democratic Reform and Representative Government?
You betcha...that's the #1 thing that will combat the threat of nuclear terrorism. It's also genuinely the right thing to do with our power...And it will make it a virtual certainty that we won't have to use further mass military action in a ME country in this conflict...
Last edited by whottt; 12-22-2007 at 01:13 PM.
NY Times retracts Paul smear...
Smearing Ron Paul
Monday, December 24th, 2007 in News by Justin Raimondo| Comment |
LinkThe Smear Bund never rests — not even on Christmas. Especially not on Christmas. And they’ve been really active lately, what with Ron Paul gaining in the polls and in the hearts and minds of a growing number of young people: we can’t have that! I’ve waded through the muck and mire, so you don’t have to — go here to read a full accounting.
One would think that the sheer counterintuitiveness of the proposition that the country’s leading libertarian politician is a Nazi sympathizer would deter the Smear Brigade from trying to pull that one off — but no. From the left-leaning cyber-lair of “Orcinus,” where the professional “extremist”-hunter David Neiwert (a kind of low-budget John Roy Carlson) holds court, to the supposedly opposite end of the spectrum over at “Stormfront,” where the “Commander” of the American National Socialist Workers Party pontificates, the hue and cry is going up: Paul is a Nazi!
This morning the New York Times took up this theme, with a vicious taunt coming out of the mouth of Virginia Heffernan, who repeats the laughable accusations of an admitted Nazi as indisputable fact. Paul “seems to have Nazi troubles, as in they’re saying he’s one of them,” she gloats — and hails a “vid-lash” against Ron Paul. Yeah, the Paul supporters have so far dominated Youtube and the internet in general, where their movement was born, but we’ll show them: Heffernan posts a video by one Mike Fluggenock, a shrill leftist propaganda short that focuses not on Paul’s positions but on two or three individuals in a crowd of some 5,000 at a rally in Philadelphia.
What’s interesting about Senor Fluggenock, however, isn’t his skills as a film-maker, or even as a propagandist, but the fact that he was one of six American “artists” to make contributions to Iranian President Ahmadinejad’s Holocaust cartoon contest. Here it is.
Gee, I don’t wonder that Fluggenock’s entry didn’t place. That is kind of heavy-handed, even for the Iranians. After all, is the evil of the Holocaust really equivalent to the admittedly brutal Israeli occupation? I haven’t noticed the Israelis killing 6 million Palestinians in extermination chambers, but I’m sure this is just an oversight on my part. What I couldn’t help noticing, however, is that Fluggenock travels in some of the same circles as Bill White, the neo-Nazi “Commander” and source of the charge that Paul is a secret “white nationalist. DC Indymedia, where Fluggenock is part of of the “editorial collective, seems to have it’s own Nazi problem. DC Indymedia has also been promoting White’s story. Hmmmmm …..
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