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  1. #26
    Straight Forward PM5K's Avatar
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    I'm curious to see how the Spurs, Mavs, and Suns will do against the Celtics.
    Everyone is, but even if they don't do that well, they only play them two times each.

    And yeah, 15-3 ain't bad, how exactly did they pay for it during the Playoffs?

    By going 11-1 through the Conference Finals and 4-2 in the NBA Finals?

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    (Slam, slam, slam!) Blood alone moves the wheels of history! Have you ever asked yourselves in an hour of meditation which everyone finds during the day, how long we have been striving for greatness? (Slam!) Not only the years we've been at war, the war of work. But from the moment as a child when we realized that the world could be conquered. It has been a lifetime struggle (Slam!), a never-ending fight, I say to you (Slam!), and you will understand that it is a privilege to fight! (light applause) We are warriors!! (moderate applause) Salesmen of northeastern Pennsylvania I ask you, (Slam!) once more rise and be worthy of this historical hour!

    No revolution is worth anything unless it can defend (Slam!) itself!

    Some people will tell you "salesman" is a bad word, they'll conjure up images of used car dealers and door-to-door charlatans. This is our duty to change their perception. I say, salesmen, and women, of the world, unite! We must never acquiesce, for it is together, together that we prevail! We must never cede control of the motherland for it is together that we prevail!



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    Excuse me drummer of a badass band I have seen all over the DFW, your spurs are now ED. Sorry kiddo but the Mavs have that Round 1 through NBA Finals Games 1 and 2 swagger back. Thats horrible news for the rest of the league especially the Spurs. Now run along and go practice for your gig on Harry Hines tomorrow night.
    Based on what?

    Last night was Golden State playing horrible, not Dallas playing great.

    Dallas plays uninspired ball except vs. the Spurs.

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    I don't know what's more annoying, the fact that mono posted that or the fact that about 5 other people felt the need to quote the entire thing again in their post and then get mad at Mono for posting it~!

    um, who got mad?

    I thought it was very good post.

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    The Manifesto of the Communist Party (German: Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei), usually referred to as The Communist Manifesto, was first published on February 21, 1848, and is one of the world's most influential political tracts. Commissioned by the Communist League and written by communist theorists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, it laid out the League's purposes and program. The Manifesto suggested a course of action for a proletarian (working class) revolution to overthrow the bourgeois social order and to eventually bring about a classless and stateless society, and the abolition of private property.

    Although the names of both Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx appear on the le page alongside the "persistent assumption of joint-authorship", Engels, in the preface introduction to the 1883 German edition of the Manifesto, said that the Manifesto was "essentially Marx's work" and that "the basic thought... belongs solely and exclusively to Marx." McLellan, along with many other scholars, believes that "the actual drafting of The Communist Manifesto was done exclusively by Marx."

    It is claimed in the text itself to have been sketched by a group of Communists from various countries that gathered together in London.

    The Communist Manifesto's initial publication, in 1848 (in London), was in German. The first English translation was produced by Helen MacFarlane in 1850. The Manifesto went through a number of editions from 1872 to 1890; notable new prefaces were written by Marx and Engels for the 1872 German edition, the 1882 Russian edition, the 1883 German edition, and the 1888 English edition. This edition, translated by Samuel Moore with the assistance of Engels, has been the most commonly used English text since.
    However, some recent English editions, such as Phil Gasper's annotated "road map" (Haymarket Books, 2006), have used a slightly modified text in response to criticisms of the Moore translation made by Hal Draper in his 1994 history of the Manifesto, The Adventures of the "Communist Manifesto" (Center for Socialist History, 1994).

    The Manifesto is divided into an introduction, three substantive sections, and a conclusion.

    Preamble
    The introduction begins with the notable comparison of communism to a "spectre," claiming that across Europe communism is feared, but not understood, and thus communists ought to make their views known with a manifesto:
    A spectre is haunting Europe—the spectre of Communism. All the Powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Czar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.
    Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as Communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the Opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of Communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

    I. Bourgeois and Proletarians
    The first section, "Bourgeois and Proletarians", puts forward Marx's historical materialism, claiming that
    The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.
    Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary re-cons ution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.
    The section goes on to argue that the class struggle under capitalism is between those who own the means of production, the ruling class or bourgeoisie, and those who labor for a wage, the working class or proletariat. Though the bourgeoisie has played a progressive role in destroying feudalism, according to Marx and Engels, it has also brought about the conditions for its own impending downfall by creating a contradiction within capitalism between the forces of production and the relations of production:
    The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It ... has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment” ... for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has subs uted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation ... Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones ... All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses, his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.
    However:
    The essential condition for the existence, and for the sway of the bourgeois class, is the formation and augmentation of capital; the condition for capital is wage-labour. Wage-labour rests exclusively on compe ion between the labourers.

    II. Proletarians and Communists
    The second section, "Proletarians and Communists," starts by outlining the relationship of conscious communists to the rest of the working class:
    The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to other working-class parties.
    They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole.
    They do not set up any special principles of their own, by which to shape and mould the proletarian movement.
    The Communists are distinguished from the other working-class parties by this only: 1. In the national struggles of the proletarians of the different countries, they point out and bring to the front the common interests of the entire proletariat, independently of all nationality. 2. In the various stages of development which the struggle of the working class against the bourgeoisie has to pass through, they always and everywhere represent the interests of the movement as a whole.
    It goes on to defend communism from various objections, such as the claim that communists advocate "free love," and the claim that people will not perform labor in a communist society because they have no incentive to work.
    The section ends by outlining a set of short-term demands. These included, among others, the abolition of both land ownership and of the right to inheritance, a progressive income tax, universal education, centralization of the means of communication and transport under state management, and the expansion of the means of production owned by the state. The implementation of these policies, would, the authors believed, be a precursor to the stateless and classless society.
    One particularly controversial passage deals with this transitional period:
    When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organized power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of cir stances, to organize itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.
    It is this concept of the transition from socialism to communism which many critics of the Manifesto, particularly during and after the Soviet era, have highlighted. Anarchists, liberals, and conservatives have all asked how an organization such as the revolutionary state could ever (as Engels put it elsewhere) "wither away."
    In a related dispute, later Marxists make a separation between "socialism," a society ruled by workers, and "communism," a classless society. Engels wrote little and Marx wrote less on the specifics of the transition to communism, so the authenticity of this distinction remains a matter of dispute.

    10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto
    Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
    A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    Abolition of all right of inheritance.
    Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
    Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
    Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
    Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
    Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
    Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
    Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
    According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism (but Marx and Engels later expressed a desire to modernize this passage).

    III. Socialist and Communist Literature
    The third section, "Socialist and Communist Literature," distinguishes communism from other socialist doctrines prevalent at the time the Manifesto was written. While the harshness of Marx's and Engels' attacks varies, and their debt to "utopian socialists" such as Fourier, Proudhon, and Owen is acknowledged, all rival views are eventually dismissed for advocating reformism and failing to recognize the key role of the working class. Partly because of Marx's critique, most of the specific ideologies described in this section became politically negligible by the end of the nineteenth century.

    IV. Position of the Communists in Relation to the Various Existing Opposition Parties
    The concluding section, "Position of the Communists in Relation to the Various Existing Opposition Parties," briefly discusses the communist position on struggles in specific countries in the mid-nineteenth century. It then ends with a call to action:
    The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains or dignity. They have a world to win.
    WORKING MEN OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE!
    I see what you did there.

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    What people don't realize is they haven't faced the Mavs, or the spurs, Suns, or any of the other elite teams.

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    What people don't realize is they haven't faced the Mavs, or the spurs, Suns, or any of the other elite teams.

    I think they have thier eyes on something bigger then a 72-10 record. FYI they are 10- vs the West including a sweep of the Lakers.

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    I think they have thier eyes on something bigger then a 72-10 record. FYI they are 10- vs the West including a sweep of the Lakers.
    Look at it this way, If the celtics lose 5 more games, they will be tied with the 96 bulls.

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    Wow, the Celtics weren't even able to match the Suns 31-4 start in 04-05 (before Nash got hurt and we lost 6 in a row).

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    Wow, the Celtics weren't even able to match the Suns 31-4 start in 04-05 (before Nash got hurt and we lost 6 in a row).

    Somehow I think the Celtics will manage to win 55 + games. Is still the Leastern Conference despite all the moves made by East team. It is still a 2 team show with Detroit and Boston. Of course there is always Chewfingers lurking and he is always a threat.

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