Spurs interested in Tyrus Thomas?

[whottt]

Look...just for the record. I am for giving this a try...Thomas has sick talent.

That said Timvp, the path to basketball is fraught with attempts to change a players at ude...

And that includes Pop.


I don't think Pop changed Stephen Jackson at ude...I think Jackson was an aggressive player who wanted to win, and Pop was forced to play him because it was him or Smitty.

I can't think of many other at ude adjustments by Pop, Rasho.

[whottt]

What I'm saying is that over time the centers will all be of the Tim Duncan mold, and power forwards will be smaller and more athletic.

Depends on how many talented big guys are around...there was a dearth of them for a few years, but they are starting to make a comeback. Teams were just playing what was a available...it wasn't that many years ago that the big PF was the elite position in the NBA.

[timvp]

So whottt thinks Thomas weighs less than he did when he was drafted? Okay.

whottt who do you propose the Spurs trade for if they are indeed trying to get younger and more athletic while they still have tradeable assets (expiring contracts)? If you don't like this buy-low prospect, which one do you like?

[whottt]

So whottt thinks Thomas weighs less than he did when he was drafted? Okay.

Still listed as 215...and the dude is still thin and lanky...

I just see him as a SF physically...like out of the Gerald Wallace or AK47 mode...

His shot is bad...but again, the j is usually the worst part of the extra young guys games.

whottt who do you propose the Spurs trade for if they are indeed trying to get younger and more athletic while they still have tradeable assets (expiring contracts)? If you don't like this buy-low prospect, which one do you like?

Hmmm....I'm not against Thomas, I think he's got sick talent.

I'm against the mindset that Pop is just going to fix whatever's wrong with a players at ude. It's definitely something worth discussing.


It's definitely something that the player has to want to do....Pop can't make them change.


Still...it's not like Thomas is a criminal...and with his talent, I don't see many guys on our roster I wouldn't trade for him.

[timvp]

Hmmm....I'm not against Thomas, I think he's got sick talent.

I'm against the mindset that Pop is just going to fix whatever's wrong with a players at ude. It's definitely something worth discussing.

Any alternatives you'd like to name that come with a ready-made at ude?

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Love his game.

Everything else aside, I'd love that guy on my team.

[whottt]

Any alternatives you'd like to name that come with a ready-made at ude?

Not really...any time you get a guy capable of putting up 2 blocks and steals per game(and Thomas has that ability)...you don't usually turn that down if the price is expriring contracts and some draft picks. It's worth the gamble....

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Who would the Spurs be potentially giving up for him?

[timvp]

Who would the Spurs be potentially giving up for him?

This thread is your friend.

[whottt]

Here is some food for thought though about why the Bulls might do this trade...


Spurs were higher on Splitter and Ian than they were on Scola....I am almost certain the Spurs tried to move Scola to the Bulls at some point and Paxon didn't want to get burned by RC...

Well Scola would have been a great fit on the Bulls...it's too bad they were too stupid to trade for him...

But maybe Paxon regrets not going after Scola and is saying... , if that's the guy they didn't like, what's the possible upside for the two guys they are high on?


If not for the way Ian has played this season, I'd see Splitter as the guy they'd be most interested in...not Ian. Then again...I didn't expect Ian to have the scoring punch he's had in the d-league.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

This thread is your friend.

you for making me go back and reading all of it.

[MaNu4Tres]

About people concerned with Thomas' " bad-at ude" with Skiles. I'm pretty sure if he had an at ude here, Tim would just call him over and just point to them 4 banners that him and the old man Pop created. I'm pretty sure that would humble any " at ude". I'm all over Tyrus Thomas. Elson 1st round pick and our 2nd rounders this year. If it takes Mahimni too, add him as well.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Elson, Mahinmi and a 1st round for Tyrus Thomas?

In a heartbeat. Where do I sign?

[Mr. Body]

you for making me go back and reading all of it.

Read my Spurs Threads Digest. New issue out now.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if it includes splitter, i decline he trade in a heartbeat

[xmas1997]

if it includes splitter, i decline he trade in a heartbeat

Yeah, I feel the same, but Splitter is probably the guy Chicagos wants!!!!!!

[silk]

I don't know what is paxson interest , but the bulls fan board sure would be okay for splitter , too bad they are not the gm , and even if splitter could be very good for us , i think tyrus could fit even more , we have to trade good to get goods ones.

I'm alos sure they would like shooting and veteran presence , that we could offer.

So even if this trades scenarios are a long-shot , thay are not that far-fetched.

I'm sure most of us on the lakers kwame for gasol trade would have ansewred quit smoking crack...

[urunobili]

Trade scenarios, salary-knowledged members?


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...24~4&te=&cash=
I think some of you would like this one.

Who to give up or not for the TT Trade:

Splitter: Not in a million years
Elson: Definitively
Bonner: PLEASE
Oberto: Thinkable
Mahimni: Probably
Barry: No. His chemistry has him almost untradeable in the Spurs locker room
Finley: No. I foresee a long future with us either FO or Coaching staff job
Javoktas: Bring it on
Horry: No. Let's be honest, we all want another championship run with him. He has been as bored as he could be seen, will show up crunch time as always.

Please let me know if someone's missing.

[mountainballer]

doesn't Thomas pretty much have the same body and some more compareable abilities Rodman had? (Rodman also measured 6-8 / 210-215)
sure Thomas won't ever be the space eater banger type PF, but who claims that only those players can fit with the Spurs?
I don't see an undersized problem, if he played alongside Tim (or Tiago), who then play Center.
however, from the point of talent and potential, he is to rank far above all players the Spurs might have to sacrifice in a trade for him. (Ian, Tiago, 1st round pick, 2 fist round picks)
yes, his at ude is questionable, so is his BBIQ, but still he would be a player of a talent level, the Spurs would otherwise never get, as long as they are not falling back to lottery level. (which won't happen as long as Tim is around)
getting Thomas is a risk, but a risk with huge upside.
I can see that the Bulls no longer plan with him. they have enough young players and Noah provides most things Thomas also offers.
they won't get a pick as high as they used for him, maybe not even a lottery pick. so maybe they would go for multible less valuable pieces.
like a package of Ian + two 1st rounders. which makes it more or less 3 1st rounders. Thomas is still only 21, if he stayed in College, he would be a Junior this season.
where would he be picked in a deep draft like 2008?
no.12? no.15? no.20? my guess is, he wouldn't be picked higher than 15.
Spurs pick 2008 will likely be a bit better than the years before (22-25?).
it's a bit of a reach, but isn't trading Ian plus two 1st rounders for Thomas like trading 3 late 1st rounders for a no.15 pick. not a totally absurd scenario IMO.

[yavozerb]

Bonner+Elson+Ian for TT+Kryhpa...But, I actually like Bonner so the trade of Ian+Elson+2009 1st rd pick for TT+2008 2nd rd pick would be fine by me..

[pad300]

doesn't Thomas pretty much have the same body and some more compareable abilities Rodman had? (Rodman also measured 6-8 / 210-215)
sure Thomas won't ever be the space eater banger type PF, but who claims that only those players can fit with the Spurs?
I don't see an undersized problem, if he played alongside Tim (or Tiago), who then play Center.
however, from the point of talent and potential, he is to rank far above all players the Spurs might have to sacrifice in a trade for him. (Ian, Tiago, 1st round pick, 2 fist round picks)
yes, his at ude is questionable, so is his BBIQ, but still he would be a player of a talent level, the Spurs would otherwise never get, as long as they are not falling back to lottery level. (which won't happen as long as Tim is around)
getting Thomas is a risk, but a risk with huge upside.
I can see that the Bulls no longer plan with him. they have enough young players and Noah provides most things Thomas also offers.
they won't get a pick as high as they used for him, maybe not even a lottery pick. so maybe they would go for multible less valuable pieces.
like a package of Ian + two 1st rounders. which makes it more or less 3 1st rounders. Thomas is still only 21, if he stayed in College, he would be a Junior this season.
where would he be picked in a deep draft like 2008?
no.12? no.15? no.20? my guess is, he wouldn't be picked higher than 15.
Spurs pick 2008 will likely be a bit better than the years before (22-25?).
it's a bit of a reach, but isn't trading Ian plus two 1st rounders for Thomas like trading 3 late 1st rounders for a no.15 pick. not a totally absurd scenario IMO.

I don't know. I'd be real careful about all the trade scenarios around here. I'd be wary of overpaying. The only way we get him is if he's clearly overstayed his welcome in Chicago, which makes him damaged goods in my eyes. He's a freak athlete, with limited skills, and either a bad basketball IQ or a questionable at ude. I can find a freak athlete with so-so skills rather late in the draft (who has an unkown BBall IQ & at ude). Shawn James - http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Shawn-James-361/

He's even roughly the same physical build and size 6'9" & 215lbs. He's also projected to go #56 in the 2008 draft according to draftexpress...

I might go as high as Pick/Prospect + Expiring, but not a lot further. For example, 1 of (Elson/Bonner/Horry), 1 of (08 1st/Mahinmi) and 1 of (08 2nd/Sanikidze) and (filler signed with old rights, see what the lakers did with Aaron Mckie/TE/) for Thomas and Kryapha. (Note that Kryapha is filler for them, he's played 80 minutes on the season, and 230 minutes last year).

[Supergirl]

Spurs trade half their roster for a guy who has no offense (Ben Wallace) and a guy who is too young to be useful (Tyrus Thomas)? I don't think so.

[VaSpursFan]

Spurs trade half their roster for a guy who has no offense (Ben Wallace) and a guy who is too young to be useful (Tyrus Thomas)? I don't think so.

agree...we need another scorer since we are having problems putting point on the board. i think our defensive scheme is fine and the brilliance has shown in bits and pieces this season but what is evident is our inability to score the ball.

[Ghost Writer]

He's raw, but has NBA body and range of tools.

He can block shots and shoot a little.

Consistency has been his downfall.


Needs a kick in the pants.

[timvp]

I like Splitter and all but I'd trade a 28th pick who hasn't played in the NBA for an underachieving player who is younger and was picked 4th. If Thomas were in the 2007 draft, he would have been a top five pick again. Even if Splitter didn't have to stay in Europe another year, I don't think he would have been picked much higher than 15.