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I wasn't aware of that, but they still have plenty of chips to deal with in order to get Miller. It's definitely tougher if that's the case, though.
Not all Mav fans are against this. The window is closing. We don't have time to wait on Devin Harris. The team needed a shakeup. If Stack comes back then the only hole left is a big man to replace Diop. He wasn't all that anyway so replacing him won't be that difficult. PJ Brown could add more quickly.
I wasn't aware of that, but they still have plenty of chips to deal with in order to get Miller. It's definitely tougher if that's the case, though.
The mavs just confirmed to me that they are done. Kidd at 35 is not going to make up for all those players we lost.
if we get miller, I'll feel less bad. but right now, that's a big IF. Mavs aren't the only team that wants him.
I don't understand why people think I'm disagreeing with teams for making a trade. L.A. made a GREAT trade. The Heat got an all-star for a guy who didn't even want to be there. I'm not just picking teams I don't like, because personally I hate the Lakers but they are obviously now more of a threat.
I agree that the Mavs had to do something. But that doesn't mean that making a trade for a big name player makes them better. Kidd is an AMAZING player, I'm just not sure he matches up well with guards in the West come playoff time.
You can add any adjective you want, it's a fact.
Never said it was a smart move. I simply stated that Dallas is more concerned with matching up with other teams in the West. Never said that Dallas would beat the Spurs with or without Kidd. You're coming up with imaginary assumptions of things you think I'm thinking. And, you'd be inaccurate assuming such things.So that means it's a smart move, yes? Because they just dominated the Spurs in the playoffs in 2006, when it took 7 games, favorable officiating, a completely stupid foul by a Spurs player, and overtime to get them the win. Yeah, the Spurs are obviously an easy out for Dallas.
Don't deny it. It doesn't change the fact that the Spurs have a difficult remainder of the schedule, now does it?So is playing in the West. The Spurs have historically struggled through January and into the All-star break.
Hence my use of the word "may" and not "will." You aren't refuting anything I've written.It's also something which is completely up in the air. Unless you have medical evidence that makes it extremely likely that he won't be back at a high level, this is pure conjecture. It "may" linger the rest of the season. It also "may" not.
Which means nothing in your opinion. Others could and do disagree. Again, find where I ever said it was a good trade for Dallas. I didn't. Not once. I made comments on what Dallas feels and that the Spurs aren't as important to match-up in their point of view. You again are foolishly looking to make assumptions on how I feel about the trade. I haven't said it was a good trade for Dallas. I said Dallas is more concerened with matching up with other teams other than the Spurs. Stop assuming.Which means nothing. Many see both the Suns and the Mavs as taking a step down out of desperation. "Trying to improve your team" means if you make a bad trade. If the Pistons traded Sheed for a couple picks and Billups for Jason Terry under the guise of "improving the team", would you be content? Is there such a thing as a bad trade to you, as long as the team does it to "improve"?
Putting more words in my mouth. Making more assumptions. I said balance supporting your team with a little reality. You are trying to read into what I write way too much. I didn't speak at all on the players that Spurs fans are happy to be seen traded from Dallas. Why bring that up when I didn't even address that?How is discussing the matchup with Dallas if these teams meet in the playoffs some kind of fantasy concoction? The Spurs fans are happy because two or three players who were thorns in our side during the 06 run are gone, replaced with a player who we can exploit on defense. I haven't seen a SINGLE Spurs fan rant about how we're locks to win the le or even win the West yet. We see the Mavs as matching up less proficiently against us now. Yeah, you're right, we're just too unrealistic!Just curious: how's that haterade taste?
Enough Havoc. Stop crying to me.
you're an idiot. we lost devin harris and two role players who aren't that great. stackhouse is coming back in 30 days.
This is a great trade, and if they get Mike Miller as well, it means the Mavericks just stepped up to the Western Conference table, dropped their pants, slapped their onto the table and told everybody else there "Beat that, mother ers".
they could also re-visit the Magette deal with the Clips. Getting either Miller or Magette would be huge....
The good thing about Kidd from a Spurs fan's perspective is
1) He cannot defend Parker.
2) His offense does not scare the Spurs, therefore they can defend him straight up.
getting rid of devin harris can only be good for Dallas
Maggette might be even better since he's a slasher. Jason Kidd could feed him so many easy layups it'll be stupid.
What was that Jack Nicholson movie? Mavs just traded away 10 years of Amanda Peet (Devin Harris) for three months of Diane Keaton (Kidd)...
but it might be worth it if we get Mike Miller
And how many years does Dirk have? Exactly! That is what the Front office is thinking. The window is short.
Good trade....Mavs need leadership and they've been struggling lately. Kidd will definitely help. It will take pressure off Dirk and let Howard catch alley oops all day. Unless they make more moves, but their bench is a little thin now.
I hope for the sake of my Mavs, I'm wrong about this trade. I'd rather be wrong and celebrate a le than be right
What we needed most was leadership and something to shake up our stagnant, simplistic, predictable offense. We addressed both of those issues with this trade.
From reading various opinions all over, Ive come to one conclusion: Harris is becoming quickly overrated and Kidd underrated.
BUT its still up in the air, like all trades, time will tell. matchup wise, its great for the Spurs though.
Ah, so you're in the business of just stating things because they are facts, right? I could list a few. It's 3:34 CST as I type this. The computer I'm typing at is a Dell. Facts without a reason behind them are ing pointless, and so is pointing out the Spurs are 2.5 games out of the 8th seed is pretty pointless when the team concerned is only a half-game ahead of the Spurs, and EVERY team is within 5.5 games of missing the playoffs in the West.
Of course, you're Switzerland in this matter. You're taking a neutral stance so you appear to be "in the right" either way. So just answer the question: Is this a good trade for the Mavs?Never said it was a smart move. I simply stated that Dallas is more concerned with matching up with other teams in the West. Never said that Dallas would beat the Spurs with or without Kidd. You're coming up with imaginary assumptions of things you think I'm thinking. And, you'd be inaccurate assuming such things.
Again, is there a point to this? Unless you seriously think the Spurs are in danger of missing the playoffs?Don't deny it. It doesn't change the fact that the Spurs have a difficult remainder of the schedule, now does it?
Because you're making pointless assertions. I own an iPod. AHAHAHA YOU CANT REFUTE MY FACTOIDS!Hence my use of the word "may" and not "will." You aren't refuting anything I've written.
Wow, thanks for telling me that my speculations as to whether a team will be better or worse because of a trade is an opinion. OMG, people disagree with me! Oh noes! The horror! I was completely unaware. You might want to mention that to every single other poster in the thread. I mean, not all of us only state facts, like you. Though the slant to your facts certainly hint at one thing -- you might be just a little bit scared of the Spurs.Which means nothing in your opinion. Others could and do disagree. Again, find where I ever said it was a good trade for Dallas. I didn't. Not once. I made comments on what Dallas feels and that the Spurs aren't as important to match-up in their point of view. You again are foolishly looking to make assumptions on how I feel about the trade. I haven't said it was a good trade for Dallas. I said Dallas is more concerened with matching up with other teams other than the Spurs. Stop assuming.
Ah, the mark of someone who has a lot of important, insightful things to say, that they have to resort to making lame witticisms at another person's message board name. Truly, you are just too quick for me to keep up with.Enough Havoc. Stop crying to me.
like I said before, Kidd was playing this summer with a team full of the best players in the NBA, and he was arguably the best of the bunch.
That's a guy who is over the hill?
Provided Parker comes back 100%. Stackhouse will be back. We get more experience that we desperately needed. If you can remove the bone-headed mistakes the Mavs have made late in games, then wow. I get more excited the more I think about it.
I'd rather have Devin Harris and Desagna Diop than a old broken down Jason Kidd who can't shoot. The Mike Miller trade would have put us over the top with Devin Harris. With the loss of 2 key defensive players, I'm not so sure. Eddie Jones and Jason Kidd.
We were stagnant because we were missing Harris. He is by far our quickest player and replace him with the JET, who is half the speed, caused the team to be stagnant.
Cool - Devin can help the Mavs from afar by leading his Nets to those b2b wins over the Spurs here in a few weeks.
This is perhaps the heart of the matter. The Mavs just removed an offensive weapon from their arsenal. I KNOW Kidd is perhaps the most underappreciated point-guard in the game (along with Andre Miller and Jose Calderon), but he cannot shoot to save his life, and the defense in the West is going to be very strong in these playoffs. Teams now not only have a player who they can play off of a bit, but it enables them to move a smaller, quicker player to guard someone else instead of covering Harris. Obviously this benefits the Spurs the most, but defensive liabilities in the West seem to kill teams in the playoffs because there are SO many elite teams who are solid all the way 1-5.I'd rather have Devin Harris and Desagna Diop than a old broken down Jason Kidd who can't shoot. The Mike Miller trade would have put us over the top with Devin Harris. With the loss of 2 key defensive players, I'm not so sure. Eddie Jones and Jason Kidd.
If things don't go well for Jason Kidd here, he can always beat his wife some more. Not only a has been but a bad guy to go with it.
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