Nuggets wont be getting Artest. The Front Office refuses to give up LK for a rent a player.
Well i guess thats it then, unless the Kings crack and trade him for Eddie/JR & a 1stbut i bet they end up keeping him and he opts out.
I like Artest, but man, where is he going to fit in the lineup? We already have two great defenders in Bruce and Ime, and we're not even finding enough minutes for Ime.
I'd prefer we keep Splitter and Ian, who could both be awesome for us next year. If we want another tough-nose defender with some offensive skills, why not just play Ime more?? He seems a lot more proven than Artest at this point and we KNOW he can work within the offense.
Save the fantasy bball trades for Dallas and Phoenix.
No, no a thousand times no.
Most of these points have been made by others, but I will reemphasize them again in the hopes that hearing it from a Pacers' fan might make some of you wake up and smell the river.
1. Artest is not a malcontent or a "bad character guy." He is mentally ill. It is probably "just" bi-polar disorder, but he can be completely unpredictable. Sometimes he even forgets what he has done or said during one of his "manic" phases.
2. Artest is somewhat overrated as a defender, because neither Indiana or Sacramento were/are good defensive teams.
3. Artest's offense has a tendency to disappear when an above-average defender covers him. This is why he often chokes in playoff games. He is neither a pure shooter nor a reliable post player.
4. Comparing Stephen Jackson to Artest is laughable. There is no comparison. Jax is a bit of a malcontent who can pull it together for the right team. Jax has bad judgment and poor impulse control, but otherwise holds it together. Again, Artest is mentally ill. Jax + good intentions = championship. Artest + good intentions = Still ing Crazy.
You find a spot for Artest. He's that good.
And Udoka is not.
Artest is like Bowen, but with a full complement of offensive skills.
The Spurs should've traded for him long ago when the Bulls offered Artest and Mercer for S. Smith.
Ironically, we wound up signing Mercer anyway.
It's good to hear from someone who's seen it firsthand.
He's "that good" and yet can allegedly be had for 57 year old Brent Barry and Francisco Elson. There's a reason....
... yes, which has been acknowledged.
So you acknowledge that he's a nut and likely to things up but you want the Spurs to make the trade to make yourself feel better. Grand.
Well, those Pacer teams sucked. They were far too dependent on Artest on offense and defense. If all the Spurs give up is Barry and Elson and maybe a crappy pick - it's a decent risk.
Exactly.
Holt's Cat has no faith in Pop and Duncan to help set expectations for Artest.
Artest has the skills to blend perfectly into the system.
The real risk is going into the playoffs without doing this trade.
I have no faith that Artest will know his role and not up. Pop isn't going to coddle Artest or treat him any different than any other player. So Artest is going to find himself at the end of the bench and you just traded at least a first round pick and perhaps passed over other useful trade alternatives.
rofl. Artest has a tendency to break plays, which, if you have been paying attention to the Spurs' offense, is the #1 no-no for a player on the offensive side. Dude is not as good of a fit a you make him out to be. The main attraction is that you would have him to defend perimeter oriented bigs. Of course, that is mitigated by his propensity to go manic and screw up.Artest has the skills to blend perfectly into the system.
The real risk is going into the playoffs without doing this trade.
Why must the Spurs subject themselves to this sideshow? For you, internet GM/ , you don't have to deal with the responsibility of bringing in a player who the coaching staff has to invest time with to bring him up to speed on the team's plays and integrate him with the team. That is time wasted once he manages to get his ass benched.
Well, of course if I had my druthers, I'd pick up Mike Miller first like LJ said -- but there could be a similar upside to an Artest deal, it's just less of a sure thing. I like the trade because it could make Pop's brand of small ball completely viable no matter whom the opponent might be.
Boo hoo.
We lost out on a first rounder (when's the last first rounder to stick on this team?) for a chance to get an All-Star caliber player on a rent-to-own basis.
And cut it out with the "passing on other trade opportunities" schtick. It's lame.
It's pretty obvious to me that many of you don't appreciate the fact that Artest REALLY IS MENTALLY ILL. You do not bring a player on board that is that erratic. I'm not saying that Artest is a bad guy. He is sick and needs help. The Spurs are not the proper forum for his road to recovering some semblance of sanity.
Um, thanks, Doc.
We're counting on getting him for less than market value because of concerns such as yours.
If it bites us, he's benched and he walks this summer.
I'm trembling with fear.
Nuts? Yes.
Capable of putting up 30 against the Rockets or 33 against the Suns? Also yes.
Oh, and "slowing down" McGrady and Nash on the defensive end.
Can Bowen Do That For You?
He definitely is psycho. He gets driven into a rage, takes slights personally on the court, etc. In all other things, he seems to be a pretty nice guy. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems he is not an off-court distraction.
That said, when he's on, he's one of the best players in basketball. He's truly a tremendous talent in a number of ways, and not just defensively. He's a gifted player. The toggle here is whether twin strong personalities of Duncan and Pop, along with a team full of noble reserves and character guys, plus the knowledge that they do not depend on him and insist on him staying on the straight and narrow, is enough to keep a Spur Artest in line enough to make an impact. No one is advocating, I don't think, playing him 35 minutes a game. I'd imagine he'd get time, coming off the bench or whatever, but would get yanked Glenn Robinson style if he acted up. Popovich has shown a penchant, with Latrell Sprewell, for slightly psycho personalities before.
If the payment is small (Barry+Elson+pick), then by all means swing away. There is less risk involved than there seems.
I agree with you hundred percent with you on that. Unfortunately many people fail to look at that fact of him being mentally ill and assume that if he's in a good environment that suddenly he will heal which is bs. I remember reading a few years ago an article on ESPN about his mental condition which is that he suffered from the same problems Mike Tyson and that the previous teams he was on before tried to get him to take medication to calm him down but he refused because just like Mike if he takes the medication he becomes less aggressive. The majority of you guys who want him or idiots in the sense you are ignoring his illness and subs uting it as a personality problem that can be fixed which is bs.
People who are sick need help and treatment instead of putting them in a "good environment" because thats not going to mean jack sh1t when he starts going crazy again. Seriously lol you think Duncan's legacy or Pop is going to CURE his illness which is the main reason he goes crazy everywhere he has played.
I'm sick of Artest and the bs he brings he's basically this generation's version of JR Rider. A talented player that sinks every team he goes to except JR was just a druggy while Artest is mentally insane.
Yawn.
What's Artest done this season that's so kooky?
He managed to get himself suspended for the 1st 7 games of this season. I guess that he just 'needs his space'.
That was for an off-the-court incident last May.
How about this season?
So when will he have another off the court incident that affects his on the court availability?
I can imagine artest in black and white stripes
Hopefully, never.
After Rodman joined a championship infrastructure in Chicago, they won 3 rings with him.
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