Will Dirk be suspended?

[monosylab1k]

Rockets are 80-72 all time versus the Mavs.

We're all very concerned with what the 90's Rockets did to the 90's Mavs....it's really relevant to the current cir stances of both teams.

[ludda]

LOL at all the rocket trolls emerging now, flavor of the month I guess.

I kinda of miss da_suns_fan and SpursDynasty, board is getting boring without those two.

[Shank]

Shank,

You seem reasonable, so I will cut to the chase with my issues with this trade.

I believed that Dallas was good enough and one of the favorites THIS year before the trade.

Sure they had a bad run last year and matchup problems with Golden State, but I think they would have killed them this year in the same matchup.

And Harris was really getting good...he had extended his range out to the three point line and his quickness and flopping on defense were annoyingly good.

The Mavs did not need a Jason Kidd......and now that they got him, they are actually EASIER to guard now....a lot less athletic in an increasingly athletic league.

The same can be said of Phoenix, I think both Dallas and Phoenix screwed up their chemistry and both got weaker overall.....it just wreaks of a panic move by the Mavs.

They didn't need Kidd, and losing Diop will hurt too.....as he was a much better defender in the paint than Dampier...

Anyway, time will tell, and Kidd is no slouch....a hall of famer for sure, but when teams make him shoot, do you really want to live and die by a 35% shooter?

Honestly?

DD

Harris was good for Harris and was nice for the occasional slash to the basket. As far as being the future of the PG position in Dallas, if he hadn't earned Avery's trust by the time he was traded he was never going to get it. At best, Harris will turn out to be a 16/6 PG and even that will decline as his speed leaves him.

Kidd is good for the rest of the team and makes everyone around him tougher and better. Look at how much fire Dirk has played with since Kidd arrived (or even before, when the news was just being announced). Damp has played much better than anyone could have expected. Terry is starting to find out how he needs to be used. Howard, personal problems aside, is hopefully starting to come out of his funk and playing better with Kidd.

Diop wasn't as good as the hype that follows him. He was still living off of his Game 7 performance over a tired and somewhat hobbled Duncan. Aside from that, what had he ever done? He was in Avery's doghouse when he was traded. , he still hasn't done anything noteworthy in his time in NJ.

Kidd has been a good shooter since coming to Dallas. He shows great shot selection and is pretty damn good from 3. It was his unwillingness to take the open shots given to him by the Spurs defense leaving him open that led him to the bench in the last :34 last week. Avery didn't like his lack of aggressiveness in taking the shots given to him by a sagging Spurs D and thus benched him in favor of a guy - Terry - that would take the shot when it was open.

But I don't know how anyone can say the Mavs are actually worse since the trade. It's only 8 games in and there have been good signs and improvements every game (a tough stretch as of late, with all the travel and play against the West's best).

[Findog]

Rockets are 80-72 all time versus the Mavs.

I'm not talking about Hakeem Olajuwon curbstomping Walter Bond and Terry Davis.

Now the roles are reversed, the Mavs have lost their iden y with Kidd

You're right. We should never have brought in a HOF point guard that still plays at a high level and makes his teammates better over a one-man fastbreak that can't run an offense.

....is there time to find it by playoffs?

Considering what we have left on our schedule, I would say probably.

[monosylab1k]

With Harris & Diop, how much better are we in these last 8 games?

We're 4-4 with Kidd, but without making the trade we probably lose to Sacramento & Minnesota, possibly Chicago too. Maybe we beat the Spurs, but overall we're probably 3-5 or worse without the trade being made.

[monosylab1k]

It was going to take a little time for Kidd to get integrated. 8 games in, I'd say they've competed pretty nicely.

The time for moral victories is definitely over, though. If they don't win their next 6 games, and fail to go 9-1 in the next 10, things will not look so rosy for Mavs fans anymore.

[Findog]

With Harris & Diop, how much better are we in these last 8 games?

We're 4-4 with Kidd, but without making the trade we probably lose to Sacramento & Minnesota, possibly Chicago too. Maybe we beat the Spurs, but overall we're probably 3-5 or worse without the trade being made.

Injuries killed us before the trade, and there's no such thing as moral victories or coming close, but the two games against LA and San Antonio could've gone either way.

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With Harris & Diop, how much better are we in these last 8 games?

We're 4-4 with Kidd, but without making the trade we probably lose to Sacramento & Minnesota, possibly Chicago too. Maybe we beat the Spurs, but overall we're probably 3-5 or worse without the trade being made.

The reason for 3 of our losses revolved around Josh Howard. I will now give him a pass for his poor play as of late, due to his personal issues he has going on. That's not easy stuff to deal with, and I don't care what people say... no amount of money will be able to help someone deal with the loss of a loved one, and it will effect people in all aspects of life.

But I think we would have been better off in those game if he had simply not played Josh Howard, because he really made us worse with his poor play. As for the Utah game, that was one of those games where Utah just couldn't miss anything, but the Mavs still nearly won it. Those games will happen once in a while. This home stretch should get the Mavs back on track, and back into the top 4 seeds.

[monosylab1k]

I will now give him a pass for his poor play as of late, due to his personal issues he has going on. That's not easy stuff to deal with, and I don't care what people say... no amount of money will be able to help someone deal with the loss of a loved one, and it will effect people in all aspects of life.

Brett Favre handled it pretty well.

I'm not saying Josh Howard should be putting up record breaking numbers, people grieve in different ways. But if he's made the decision to stay commited to the team and play through his personal issues, then he needs to give 100% instead of the lazy, half-assed effort he's been giving. If this is the effort he planned on giving, he should have just stayed at home with his family and come back when he could be completely focused.

[sribb43]

Just look at career averages, every player generally ends up right around their career average.

I think the Mavs panicked...you had Terry and Harris...2 options at PG...both with varying skill sets....


Kidd...while 5 years ago was amazing, is still a great player, but he doesn't make Dallas better.

You win 67 games last year, and brought in Brandon Bass....why the heck would you disrupt your team and take the massive risk of trading for Kidd?
Bad move....Mark Cuban is a good owner, but he has tinkered away this team's chances with this move....

It is all on the Spurs and Lakers...those are the 2 battling for the WC crown, all the rest are just pretenders....

DD

you just lost all credibility with this post

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Brett Favre handled it pretty well.

I'm not saying Josh Howard should be putting up record breaking numbers, people grieve in different ways. But if he's made the decision to stay commited to the team and play through his personal issues, then he needs to give 100% instead of the lazy, half-assed effort he's been giving. If this is the effort he planned on giving, he should have just stayed at home with his family and come back when he could be completely focused.

Football and Basketball are a little different.

And Favre in football as opposed to Josh Howard in basketball are completely different levels too.

I agree he should have stayed home, but to bash on him and to say that being paid millions of dollars should keep him 100% focused is ridiculous and unfair.

[DaDakota]

you just lost all credibility with this post

Yes, I hear ya.....you think it was a good trade.....so therefore I lost my credibility in your eyes...

MMMMMKaayyy

The problem is that I am right.

And Dirk got suspended, as I predicted.

:p

Now cue the crickets [chirp]
DD[/chirp]

[Findog]

The problem is that I am right.

The problem is that you are a re ed troll, and appeals to your own authority are worthless.

And Dirk got suspended, as I predicted.

:p

Now cue the crickets DD[/chirp]

Now maybe the Rockets can FINALLY beat us.

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Well supposedly we lost the greatest point guard to ever play the game of basketball when we lost Harris.

No, the Mavs just lost a point guard who matches up better with the Spurs than the current one. In addition to doing an about-face on the build up you gave Harris before he returned from injury to lead the Mavericks to their ONLY playoff win against the Spurs, you guys also don't seem to like the fact that Jason Kidd isn't striking fear into any Spurs fans. You also shouldn't like the fact that, in a year that teams in the west are going bigger, Dallas gave away their backup center in exchange for a point guard. How this somehow makes the Mavericks better or more competetive can linger until the Mavs at least start playing above .500 with Kidd in town. Looks like Harris will be in the playoffs either way.

[DaDakota]

No, the Mavs just lost a point guard who matches up better with the Spurs than the current one. In addition to doing an about-face on the build up you gave Harris before he returned from injury to lead the Mavericks to their ONLY playoff win against the Spurs, you guys also don't seem to like the fact that Jason Kidd isn't striking fear into any Spurs fans. You also shouldn't like the fact that, in a year that teams in the west are going bigger, Dallas gave away their backup center in exchange for a point guard. How this somehow makes the Mavericks better or more competetive can linger until the Mavs at least start playing above .500 with Kidd in town. Looks like Harris will be in the playoffs either way.

And this is spot on...and from a guy without a dog in the fight.

The Mavs got worse.....but I guess records don't say that.....what are they with Kidd again?

The Mavs are NOTHING this year....NOTHING...their window is SHUT !!!

DD

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And this is spot on...and from a guy without a dog in the fight.

The Mavs got worse.....but I guess records don't say that.....what are they with Kidd again?

The Mavs are NOTHING this year....NOTHING...their window is SHUT !!!

DD

You'd better hope so; the Rockets need to be praying for failure of other teams in order to avoid the lottery. Tomorrow's game could be the wake up call Josh Howard has needed all year. How embarassing would it be to have this winning streak snapped by a team playing without the MVP?

[BUMP]

Please change your sig. That prediction didnt happen so remove it because it is nothing to brag about now.

yeah i probably should

and since you said please.....

[DaDakota]

You'd better hope so; the Rockets need to be praying for failure of other teams in order to avoid the lottery. Tomorrow's game could be the wake up call Josh Howard has needed all year. How embarassing would it be to have this winning streak snapped by a team playing without the MVP?

All kidding aside, I think the game is 50/50.......

Dirk being out for them is like Yao being out for us.....

If the streak ends, so be it......but I believe they Rockets will prevail....

The Rockets have won their last 5 back to backs....in a row...another streak.

10 in a row on the road...another streak.

11 in a row at home...another streak...

They are simply playing amazing basketball......but the streak has to end some time.....I just hope it is sometime in April.



DD

[DaDakota]

By the way, I still think Dirk deserved the suspension and I give no quarter, the Rockets should take full advantage.

DD

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I think Dirk deserved the suspension as well, and the guy who's deserves a lot of credit for this team's development looks to be Skip. We knew he had talent, now he's coupling it with really sound basketball.