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Amare needs to improve his back-to-the basket game. If he develops a greater skill set instead of just trying to use his pure athletic ability all the time, then he'll be even more dominant and won't have to expend as much energy.
Duncan is able to save energy offensively because you have to respect his drive, so he can pump fake and then bank in the 19 foot jumper. Amare needs to develop a few more of these "slowed down" bread and butter plays, which in turn will limit some of his offensive fouls and keep him on the floor longer. However, his play of late has been 2005 WCF caliber and his jumper improves constantly. Still, he's getting a lot of open looks that come from screen and rolls or Nash/Shaq distractions. Once he develops more, can receive the ball on the low block and use fadeaways or jump hooks, then he'll be unstoppable. Jordan developed a backdown game, which was then emulated by Jason Kidd and Gary Payton. Present-day, Rasheed is nearly unguardable on his fadeaway shots. If Amare can emulate these skills, then his athletic ability puts him way over the top.
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amare can make his own shot, but.. he doesn't HAVE to most of the time. he's done it more often lately though due to the offensive play changes.
he i think should get some votes for mvp, strictly for stats, BUT.. should not be even in the top 5.
kobe and paul should be the top 2, they are just heads above most everyone else right now.
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Dwight>Amare. If Dwight had Nash in the pick and roll
Yao Ming?
Dwight Howard?
Give me a ing break. Amare completely outclasses both players offensively.
Suns = No Shot.
No defense, no interior presence, no rebounding, no toughness, and can't create their own shots. No chance.
Nash runs the team and until perceived otherwise, Amare will not win MVP not being the most important player on his own team. Amare will also not win MVP unless the Suns led by Amare gets first seed in an incredibly tough West. Amare will have to do more than have great stats, he needs to carry his team as the first option deep in the playoffs, like the finals. Until then, he will not be in MVP considerations, especially not when teams like the Lakers, Hornets and Jazz are emerging with their respective leaders of Kobe, Paul and Williams.
Absolutely correct. As of now, there is no big man who has the offensive skills that Amare possesses. Dwight can't hit the 15-to-20 foot jumper with 50% regularity. He can't take a defender off the dribble, either. Ming can hit the jumper, but I don't think he can dribble drive, nor does he have the lift and strength to finish around the rim the way Amare does.
I wouldn't fault anyone for rather having Howard or Ming. I wouldn't fault them if they wanted Bosh or Boozer. But in this instance, we're not saying Amare is the all-around big man. We were stricktly discussing his offensive ability. No big man can match it right now. Not even Dirk.
If you disagree, then clearly you haven't seen Amare in the last two months. And again, it's no longer just Nash. Nash helps. He does. But Amare can dominate for stretches without the pic-n-roll now. You can simply give him the ball at either elbow and he'll take his man to the hoop if he's playing to close, or take the open jumper if the defender slacks off.
Not as an all around player though.
Orlando's offense is re ed too. They never get the ball into Dwight. I remember watching a Spurs game where he got the ball once or twice in a quarter.
Amare doesn't only have Nash he has freaking Shaq. Give Dwight those players and he would make Amare look like a fool in a game.
Would you be a better team with Amare or Yao Ming? If you say Amare then 2+2=6.
Yao and Shaq nuff' said. I think Dwight and Shaq would be even better though.Would you be a better team with Amare or Yao Ming? If you say Amare then 2+2=6.
not this year...but soon.
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We're splitting hairs as far as who's the better player or talent. Thing is, offensively, Amare is the perfect complement to Nash. Ming can't do the things on offense that Amare does, therefore I do not think Nash and Ming would be anywhere near as good together offensively as Nash and Amare are. Same with Howard. Nash would only be able to pic-n-roll, but with Amare he can pick-n-pop. Neither Howard (who is the better talent), nor Ming (who's the better all-around player) is the complement that Amare, therefore neither can be as good with Nash.Would you be a better team with Amare or Yao Ming? If you say Amare then 2+2=6.
Ming averages 6 FT attempts per game for his career.
Amare averages 8 FT attempts per game.
Ming has shot 52% from the field for his career.
Amare has shot 54% from the field.
Again, Amare can go off the dribble, take jumper after jumper, and has an improving lane-game that, though not a true low-post game, is very effective at getting him a quality shot or to the FT line.
This season Amare has done even better than his career FT attempts per game, getting to the line 8.5+ times per game, shooting 80% from the stripe.
Here's each's career lines...
20.8 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 1.3 apg, 2.5 topg, .9 spg, 1.6 bpg, 54% FG, 74% FT
19.0 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 1.6 apg, 2.8 topg, .4 spg, 1.8 bpg, 52% FG, 82% FT
If you can look at those CAREER numbers and tell me I'm crazy for selecting Amare over Yao, then you're clearly the one adding 2 and 2 and equaling 6.
At best, it's a toss up. And don't give me the Nash argument either because pre-Nash Amare was a 21-ppg, 9-rpg, 48% FG player. That was his injury riddled second year.
Howard would be imposing. This can't be debated. But I don't think Nash could get out of Howard what he gets out of Amare. Not off the dribble. Not spotting up. Not in getting to the FT line and hitting 80% a clip.
Amare won't get MVP because he personally lobbies for it.
[QUOTE=JMarkJohnsHoward would be imposing. This can't be debated. But I don't think Nash could get out of Howard what he gets out of Amare. Not off the dribble. Not spotting up. Not in getting to the FT line and hitting 80% a clip.[/QUOTE]
You should remember when Amare could only dunk. He was a beast at doing it, but that was all he could do. Dwight is still in his 3rd year.
Isn't think Dwight's fourth year? If we want to be technical, this is like Amare's sixth year instead of seventh, and he missed one-third of his second season, and probably spend another half a season playing through injury/rehab. All told, this is only Amare's fourth full season.
Also, I do remember Nash feeding Amare in that 04-05 season. The Suns were amazing, but Amare was too one-dimensional and it was exposed to perfection by the Spurs, letting Amare dominate the lane off roll pass after roll pass, but it kept the rest of the Suns out of the game. Now, believe it or not, Amare doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. he can still dominate as the safety on a play as his jumper allows him to spread the floor and wait. He can let other teammates get their offense going and still get his.
Actually, Amare was drafted in 2002, so he hasn't even been in the league for six years. This is his fifth season, without including '05-'06. If he had been a red-shirt 5th-year College Senior like Alando Tucker, he would be a rookie this year, right along with Tucker! (He's only about a year older than Tucker.)
2002-03
2003-04* missed 27 games
2004-05
2005-06* missed 79 games
2006-07
2007-08
Again, Howard is in his fourth full season. As Jeremy accurately pointed out, Amare is in just his fifth. The difference between Howard's offense and Amare's offense is about as great as the difference between Amare's rebounding and Howard's rebounding: pretty significant.
[QUOTE=ducks]Bordow: Why not Stoudemire for league MVP? [QUOTE]
Why not NOT Stoudamire?
He isn't the franchise player in Phoenix. Steve Nash has that distinction. He showed it when he was out with an injury the past few seasons. The same story goes this season.
He isn't as dominant as Lebron James or Kobe Bryant. He's numbers would say it all. Compared to the two earlier mentioned, he's way behind.
Phoenix's winning streak isn't the greatest streak this season. Houston has 22 game winning streak. SA has 10, Portland had 13 , and several others have also done it. So no fuzz with their streak (which is now over).
His teams isn't dominating the league. So we can't say that he had an MVP season this year.
These are the reasons, why Stoudamire should NOT be considered as the MVP. So stop IT!
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