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Really? You just noticed? That team imploded even before Dirk got injured.
This trade is a disaster in m opinion, wtf?? Jason Kidd has been a huge disappointment in my book, while Devin Harris is beginning to blossom in new jersey(22 pts, 15 assts 2night). Let's just face the fact that J-kidd is mediocre and we got raped in this trade. We traded a young potential star, a strong defensive center, a defensive swingman, a youth who's career may go either way, two 1st round picks and 3 million for a guy who is currently averaging 8 pts and 9 assists. Does that sound wise to you? Its the kind of stupid that goes down in the Dallas Mavericks Organization. When I first heard the trade rumors I kept saying this was pretty stupid . The things that we really needed imo -
1- A backup Point Guard that was a playmaker. This way Devin Could spend some time at the 2 spot.
2- A change of the offense, most coaches can see the Mavericks offense was mostly Isolation plays and no movement. The offense should have been changed to a motion offense so that way it would be less stagnant. Also the fact that Devin is known for fancy passes and lobs in Nj proves my point. If his assist numbers have gone up on a weak team like the nets can you imagine what his assist numbers would have been for us if didn't run isolations all the time?!
3- A shooting Guard. Eddie Jones is not the answer, Stack is too old to be the answer, Jet is too small be the answer. What they should have done also was to try and get a Sg that can take pressure off Dirk. People say Dirk is a choker but it is easy to "choke" when the defenses are designed to stop you and only you in crunch time. Jet, Stack and Dirk are the only people who can make big shots on this team. And don't even bring up Jason Kidd because his shooting is just plain horrible.
Right now I'm very pissed off, I'll probably go check out Fireavery.com for any updates. Dallas Mavericks Front office =
Really? You just noticed? That team imploded even before Dirk got injured.
I didn't just notice but lately I've been getting more and more pissed off with this trade so I decided to start a thread about it.
The only reason it happened probably was because Stern was getting annoyed by Cuban, so he rigged the trade as punishment.... duh
I brought this up before. If I was a GM I would be hesitant to trade Harris for Kidd straight up.
I agree when they made that deal all i wanted to know was is Harris a part of the deal?? Once i found out he was, i was not worried one bit.
The Mavs are 0-8 against over .500 teams since the Kidd trade...
I agree. I was against the trade right from the start. Not only that the chemistry was deeply effected. Howard has not been the same since Harris left. Says something about Harris's ability to get others involved if Kidd is struggling with that. The record says it all. Also the record when Harris went down says a lot as well.
I think most people realized that this was a very risky trade for Dallas and way overpaying.
Dallas should have traded for some type of offensive post presence, not for a position that they were already very good at.
The draft picks probably hurt most. But, the Mavs would be no better if they didn't make the trade. They would be no more likely to win a le with Harris and Diop and Hassell. So, I still don't think it was a horrible trade. Long term, maybe 3-4 years down the line, losing those two first round picks might have an impact, but late first round picks are a crap shoot anyway. Harris doesn't make a difference this year or the next couple years for the Mavs. The risk was probably worth it for Kidd. The result desired hasn't exactly come to fruition so far.
Those draft picks hurt alot late first rounders or not. Harris and Diop as well as those firsts makes it way overpaying.
I disagree. All the bad struggles started to happen when Harris went down. Kidd is just a big name that is becoming a has been very quickly. Harris was making a difference in January and was very impressive. Pretty much carrying this team since Dirk was hardly showing any effort. I'm not sure the mavs would win with Harris. I'm even more sure they won't win with Kidd. This franchise destroyed themselves with one trade. Worst trade ever.
Does Harris give the Mavs a legit shot at an NBA le? I don't believe he does.
Now, it sure appears neither does Kidd. But, that was the risk. The Mavs made a bold move to "possibly" win a le. If they win a le, it's worth it. Now that it looks like it was a very bad trade.
My point is that Harris doesn't give the Mavs a shot at a le either. And, at the time, the Mavs were gambling that Kidd might.
For a 2 year window, I think it was too much of a risk. Being that they never addressed their weakness which is a player that can score in the paint.
Yea the Mavs are a joke we know u wanna tell us the sky is blue next?? The mavs have been lacking low post scoring for how long now????
I disagree. Harris's extreme upside still gave the mavs a chance. Now there is no upside, Dallas has no chance.
They had multiple weaknesses. Toughness and leadership were lacking as well. Jason Kidd addressed that.
Miami wanted low post scoring and got that with Shaq. They didn't have consistent outside shooting, a true point guard, or a perimeter defender that first year with Shaq, but the next year, they addressed those needs.
Not saying the Mavs will address all their needs. But, when you make a bold move for a superstar, you're still going to have other weaknesses to address.
Mavs need to trade Jet for Maggete, and somehow come up with a low post scorer i'm not exactly sure how.
Well then you disagree.
There was risk no doubt. The Mavs took a calculated risk and it hasn't panned out so far. If the Mavs were winning all these games and Kidd was averaging a triple double, no problem. It was a bad trade in retrospect. A week and a half ago, some Mavs fans were still excited, saw Kidd shooting over 50% from three pointer wondering why anyone questioned his outside shooting, and happy over a few wins against lesser teams. Now it's all gloom and doom. I personally think it's somewhere in the middle.
It's easy to say the trade failed right now. Just like it was easy to say the Heat Shaq trade was a failure after the 2004-05 season. Just like it was easy to say the Phoenix Shaq trade was a failure before they reeled off seven straight wins with some against quality comp.
This is the same team that won 67 games last year. I'm sure whatever weaknesses they had, they could fix it. Especially with Harris merging as a star. Kidd is not a star anymore. I don't care about his rebounding and assist numbers. He lacks what Dallas needs most. Slashing, shooting and defense. The best teams aren't going to let Dallas get a bunch of fast break points. There lies the problems with Dallas against the best teams now.
Exactly. Very well said.
This trade needs another year to be considered a failure. I'm a football player, and changing a QB during the season is the worst thing. Kidd is exaclty that. They'll give him players able to run, give him more freedom to run the offense and the mavs will be back to haunt the league.
Well it seems that some Mavs fans thought it wasn't needed or that Kidd would fix that.
The Suns have been reeling off 60+ wins for a while now too, but they look more primed for a playoff run this year. I still give this team a chance, but adjustments have to be made on offense to suit Kidd.
It's also the same team that melted down in the first round of the playoffs despite winning 67 regular season games last year. The biggest weaknesses they had involved toughness and leadership, not slashing, shooting, and defense. They had slashing with Josh, Devin, and Terry. They had plenty of shooting from every position except center. They were an improved defensive team last year. Those weren't the things Dallas needed most. You're a Mavs fan and you're trying to sell that bull ? No way. Dallas needed a leader and needed someone who would lead amidst adversity. That's what the Mavs hoped they would get with Kidd.
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