The fire and the steel existed. That is beyond question. There is no physical evidence any explosives were present. The sounds can be easily explained as coming from other sources.
If you are going to argue explosives, the burden is on you to come up with evidence that would exclude any other explanation.
You haven't.
But . . . but . . . but . . . 300 witnesses heard explosions . . . it had to have been because explosives were going off.
Incidentely, these explosives were put there by Bush and OBL themselves, holding hands as they were performing their task.
I know it's true 'cause I read it in the interents . . .
No. The official account does not claim that any steel beam was melted.
Now answer my question, since you want a trial, you can't just avoid questions you don't like.
Do you have any eyewitness accounts of visible explosive devices? Yes or no?
3rd time this question is asked
Last edited by RandomGuy; 05-20-2010 at 02:54 PM.
DO YOU HAVE ANY WITNESSES WHO SAY OJ KILL HIS WIFE?
Uh, O.J. was acquitted. Your analogy fails.
But, back to the question at hand. Other than your [questionable] visual characterization of the collapse of WTC 7 being a controlled demolition, the internet concurrence of other whackos such as yourself, and the assembly of some [as yet, unverified by me] "experts" who say it has all the earmarks of a controlled demolition (balanced, I hasten to add, by just as many "experts" who claim the collapse is readily explainable by the cir stances of the day); just what evidence has been produced -- physical evidence -- to support your claim the building was imploded?
Eyewitnesses to the placement of explosives? No.
Remnants of explosive charges in the rubble? Again, no.
Confessions from anyone involved in the conspiracy? I think not.
What do you have, other than your crackpot assertion? You have nothing.
What evidence do you have for the existance of God?
Can we just stick to the issue at hand?
Physics isn't faith-based...there should be physical, tangible evidence that WTC 7 was imploded.
there's a video of WTC 7 going down in controlled demolition.
there's no video of Jesus walking on water.
True.
You have no physical evidence of this. None. Zilch.
I know the truther movement has morphed into a quasi-religion but, why does it make your argument any more credible to compare a contemporaneous event where tons of rubble, with scores of professionals available to sift through and analyze it, exists to an event 2,000 years ago where a belief is an act of faith?
Do you believe Jesus Christ walked on water? And, if not, why would you apply faith-based reasoning to augment your argument that WTC 7 was imploded?
Here's what NIST said in their June 2004 Progress report on WTC-7:
Show me where NIST has subsequently abandoned this hypothesis in favor of an implosion hypothesis.The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:
It is a simple yes or no question.
Do you have eyewitness accounts of visible explosive devices?
4th time this question is asked. Keep dodging. The more you can't honestly answer a simple question, the worse your case looks.
Last edited by RandomGuy; 05-19-2010 at 03:04 PM.
Are you talking before or after the explosions?
do You Have Any Eyewitness Accounts Of Explosives In The Seattle Kingdome? Yes Or No?
"Your honor, we will readily accede that many people heard noises that either were or sounded like explosions. The litigant Galelio has asserted that these noises were bombs, but has, so far, failed to provide evidence of explosives. I ask that you hold him in contempt of court if he cannot answer this simple yes or no question."
"Agreed. Mr Galilei, can any of your witnesses speak directly to the question at hand? Can any of them testify that they personally witnessed explosive devices?"
Do you have any eyewitness accounts of visible explosive devices?
5th time this question is asked. It is a yes or no question. You cannot answer it with another question. Either you do or you don't, which is it?
DO YOU HAVE ANY EYEWITNESSES TO OSWALD SHOOTING KENNEDY?
Since we are on the subject of what the witnesses DID say, let's take an often quoted bit that is used by "truthers" to support their "it wuz bombz" bit.
But wait, did he just say the building blew up? WOW.Assistant Fire Commissioner: "I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they . . . blow up a building. . . ?”
What else did this experience firefighter who knows what bombs sound like have to say?
Oops."I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building cowing down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever."
http://www.debunking911.com/explosions.htm
This is a deceptive quote from a conspiracy theory site...
But wait, let's see what got left out:"When we got to about 50 feet from the South Tower, we heard the most eerie sound that you would ever hear. A high-pitched noise and a popping noise made everyone stop. We all looked up. At the point, it all let go...
...There was an explosion and the whole top leaned toward us and started coming down. I stood there for a second in total awe, and then said, "What the F###?" I honestly thought it was Hollywood."
“When we got to about 50 ft from the South Tower, we heard the most eerie sound that you would ever hear. A high-pitched noise and a popping noise made everyone stop. We all looked up. At the point, it all let go. The way I see it, it had to be the rivets. The building let go, there was an explosion and the whole top leaned toward us and started coming down.
Astonishing the way the people who call themselves "truthers" seem to leave out the parts of the truth they don't like...
Why don't you just say "no" and move on?
Do you have any eyewitnesses that can testify to seeing visible explosive devices?
6th time this question is asked.
Even bodies hitting the floor sounded like explosions.
“The sight was amazing. I was just totally awestruck. I reported to the command post, showed my ID and asked if I could be of use. They said ‘Absolutely. Stand off on the side with the other medical people.’ I couldn’t fight any fires because I did not have that kind of gear with me, but would have done it if asked.
“I decided to walk closer to the South Tower. I was about 100 ft from the South Tower looking up when the bodies started coming down. I counted 35. They were just piling up on the Marriott Marquis hotel. They were 10 to 15 thick piling up one after another. You could hear them hitting on the side streets. They were hitting cars, and there were lots of explosions.
“I have seen plenty of death in my life, and burned bodies and so forth, but this was incredible. As I was looking up, I saw a body coming down, hit a lamppost and explode like a paint ball. Its arms and legs got torn off and the head ripped off and bounced right by me.”
Hmmmm. Wow, maybe there are things that explode but aren't bombs.
The building was filled with electrical panels and cable feeding them. Some would be no different than a powerline...
[Example video transcript:]
Government Train Wreck: How government covers up freight train accidents…
"The noise sounded like two freight trains going over a trestle right over your head; it was an ugly roar. My wife said the noise when the house went was like a giant pencil sharpener working.”
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/dtx/1953beecher/storiesFJ.php
[Did a fright train pass over their head? Was there a giant pencil sharpener really over there heads?]
“While I was in my kitchen I heard this terrible roar coming," she said. "It sounded like a freight train coming right down my road here”
"It looks like it's been bombed. There's just a lot of destruction, a lot of debris," said Michael Bartz, a state emergency official. "
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WEATHER...ado/index.html
[Was it a bomb? Did a real freight train go down her road?]
"It indeed sounded like a freight train roaring past us, and when it was gone, we came out to find things a mess."
http://www.offenburger.com/farmarchi...?link=20040906
It came with "the roar of forty freight trains."
http://www.tornadochaser.com/UDALL/reports.htm
“It sounded like a freight train”.
http://www.disasternews.net/news/new...articleid=2954
“Before I reached the bottom of the stairs, I heard the sound of a roaring freight train”
[enter image of NOAA weather map an hour before the tornado touches down.]
As you can see, there was no tornado on that day, according to NOAA.
So why is the government covering up train derailments?
[enter sinister music]
In 2003 Amtrak was going bankrupt. They couldn't afford to rebuild the homes of Americans after a derailment.
ETC.. ETC..
While the anic was sinking, passengers heard explosions in the ship. In this case, the "Official Story" would be wrong, using the same conspiracy theory logic. To this day, no one really knows what exactly caused the sound, only that it sounded like an explosion. Some say it was the steel snapping as the ship broke in two. Others say it was the hot steam engines hitting the cold water which exploded. Using Conspiracy Theory logic, it was blown up because witnesses characterized the sound as an "Explosion".
dude, everything but the steel was turned to fine powder, including the exposives, desks chairs, computers, wiring, concrete, plastic, etc.The building was filled with electrical panels and cable feeding them. Some would be no different than a powerline...
You have bad logic. The anic was sunk by an iceberg, nor is there a motive for explosives to be planted in the anic, nor did they have modern explosives in 1912.
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