The REAL dirt on Avery Johnson

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

If being so tough and demanding to the point of looking mad to your players was a restriction to get a job as head coach of an NBA franchise, then Jerry Sloan or Larry Brown would've never been in the league.

[timvp]

Stackhouse actually had to be restrained from going after him a couple years back, sounds like the same maniac to be able to provoke that in a player. He's rumored to scream and degrade his players more than actually coaching them. Sounds like the same crazed lunatic to me.

That sounds exactly like what Spurs fans and Spurs media was whining about Pop before he won a championship. Newsflash: Pop has gotten in fights with players and has degraded players to the point where the players' agents asked for an apology. The NBA isn't a place for people who can't take criticism.

This statement has the same credibility as the one by Mono's "friend," unless you and Coach Pop happen to be real life buddies. And AJ's next head coaching job remains to be seen.

It's called common sense. AJ is getting a head coaching job ... he'll get the pick of the litter, actually. The Mavs and their fans might not like him but he's thought of highly around the league.

So is you passing off your takes to be fact.

I'm passing off facts as facts.

Proof? Were you actually an assistant coach in the organization at the time? Who gave you access to such inside information that the rest of the world has never seen?

Most everything I said has been in the media countless times. Maybe you haven't heard of it because you are a Mav Fan and don't follow the Spurs as closely as a Spurs fan does. Proof of what exactly? Practically everything I posted can be referenced if you want it.

Funny how the Mavs never run many pick and rolls since that is his "X's and O's." All he ever wanted to run in Dallas was the Iso offense.

I wish I had time to explain further but basically AJ's number one goal was to beat the Spurs. He knew that if you play the Spurs, their only weakness defensively is against isolations. The Spurs are the best team in NBA history in terms of getting back on defense and forcing teams to play iso offense. AJ knew that, prepped his team to master the iso sets and beat the Spurs. It was a pretty damn genius move if your goal is to beat the Spurs. He basically made his team master the elements of the game the Spurs are weakest at.

Actually, yes I can. Either that or it was all thrown out the window when he came to Dallas.

Lack of understanding forum.

All that is just what you see on the outside. TD is a classy guy, he isn't going to publicly throw anyone under the bus. Truth is, only Tim Duncan knows Tim Duncan's true inner feelings towards AJ.

Truth is Duncan went out of his way to meet with AJ before the Lakers series in 2003 and 2004. WTF would he go out of the way to talk strategy with someone he hates? That doesn't make any sense. Being classy has nothing to do with it.

Relay that message to timvp

timvp said to wipe away the tears.

Seriously though, I get why Mav Fan is mad at AJ. You don't win a championship and the head coach is the first one looked at as the scapegoat. Coaches go from "intense" and "fiery" to "overbearing" and "moody" overnight in the NBA. The Spurs were about 24 hours away from firing Pop in 1999. Believe me, if the Mavs hadn't choked in 2006, AJ would still have a job.

And really, AJ getting fired was obvious. The moment they traded for Kidd, AJ's time in Dallas was numbered. Kidd doesn't fit with the AJ philosophy -- either on the court or leadership wise. AJ was a lame duck since the All-Star break.

It worked out well for everyone. The Mavs got their scapegoat. AJ now can get any coaching job he wants. The Spurs no longer have the co-inventor of Spurs Basketball up the highway.

[LakerHater]

I never really liked Avery!! I hated that they even retired his number!!!

[Kori Ellis]

@ the thought that Pop wouldn't want Avery in San Antonio.

I don't even like Avery, and I assure you that Pop would. Pop wanted him as an assistant just a couple years back. AJ and Pop sat in Pop's living room and decided his best opportunity was in Dallas because Pop wasn't leaving S.A. anytime soon.

If (by some odd chance) AJ isn't a head coach next year, then I'd imagine he'll be here as an assistant.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I have an ambivalence towards Avery's coaching style. I think he's just misunderstood.

[endrity]

I tend to think dirk wanted aj gone
after gs knocked out dallas
aj tried to get rid of dirk and dirk never ever trusted aj again

Bingo!!!

Dirk never came out and said this, but his personal coach seriously hinted at something like this in an interview in Germany. And this year Dirk could care less what Avery was saying, he only started playing ball after Kidd arrived.

[endrity]

Avery Johnson is a piece of , this punk couldn't come up with any strategy to Help his team when Dirk was double and triple teamed in the finals and vs GS. Then the punk tried to trade Dirk, his trade plans failed but when Dirk became the franchise all time scoring leader the punk tried to take the credit. He should have been fired after the GS debacle, that guy is the reason why Dirk doesn't have a ring or 2 rings as a matter of fact. If Dirk had a real coach these past two years he would have at least 1 ring.

Dallas fans should be ing happy they don't have that piece of anymore and he better not even think about coming to the Atl.

Thank you!!! It's very nice to read something like this from unbiased fans. Very few people seem to notice these things, they all want to bash Dirk, as if there ever was a player to consistently go at double teams alone without team help. The lack of ball movement in those series was unbeliavable.

[SRJ]

This is the same guy who once told David Robinson that Jesus hated him because he didn't make the most of his God-given talent.

Get it straight.

The quote was not that "Jesus hates you because of your lack of effort", it was, "Jesus would be ashamed at your lack of effort".

Neither statement covers Avery in glory, but the first quote is 10X more ridiculous than the second.

[TampaDude]

Get it straight.

The quote was not that "Jesus hates you because of your lack of effort", it was, "Jesus would be ashamed at your lack of effort".

Neither statement covers Avery in glory, but the first quote is 10X more ridiculous than the second.

Especially because DRob is 100x the man AJ ever was.

[T Park]

mono gets owned and he keeps coming back with that stupid ass bowl thing.


What an adult.

[monosylab1k]

mono gets owned and he keeps coming back with that stupid ass bowl thing.


What an adult.

Very mature post of your own you fat . You'd know a thing or two about KFC. I should have expected the biggest timvp rider on here to make a comment at some point.

[Findog]

Avery did great things in Dallas, but he did not do a good job with this team beginning with the GS series. I don't blame him for not winning a le with this non-championship roster this year, and the Mavs have some personnel moves to make if they want to get back into le contention, but I absolutely supported the firing of Avery. If there's another coach out there that can get better results, then you go out and get him. I'm realistic enough to know those better results don't include a championship right now, but we'll see what the summer brings.

[Agloco]

Avery is an asshole.

Cuban is a whiny little .

Josh Howard is a pothead.

Kidd can't shoot the ball.

Dirk spends most fourth quarters playing pick and roll with Daivd Hasselhoff in the stands.....

Any more insightful, earth-shattering, inside news your friends wants to share with the public?

Amended......

[century]

[I]A friend of mine with connections to the Mavs organization wanted me to pass this along. I won't say who he is, so you can take it however you like, but I promise you that it's a legitimate side of the story.

Wonderful. I've always thought of the Mavs as a real organization. This confirms it.

[Findog]

I never really liked Avery!! I hated that they even retired his number!!!

Is that Deauxma in your sig? She's a Spurs fan?

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Despite what the homers say.. I repeat, he needs to apologize before getting into any position at the Spurs coaching staff.

[mavs>spurs2]

That sounds exactly like what Spurs fans and Spurs media was whining about Pop before he won a championship. Newsflash: Pop has gotten in fights with players and has degraded players to the point where the players' agents asked for an apology. The NBA isn't a place for people who can't take criticism.

I agree, that players should be able to take criticism to an extent. But that was in response to you saying Avery has changed his ways over the years. IMO he's still the same person, degrading teammates and acting like a maniac at times.

It's called common sense. AJ is getting a head coaching job ... he'll get the pick of the litter, actually. The Mavs and their fans might not like him but he's thought of highly around the league.

You're right, he probably will get another chance, I'm just glad he's not our problem anymore. Maybe a change of scenery will do him good, maybe he's just a terrible coach. Either way, both sides win here.

I'm passing off facts as facts.

No, you're saying things like "Tim Duncan felt this way.." or "Pop would do this" and passing them off to be fact.

Most everything I said has been in the media countless times. Maybe you haven't heard of it because you are a Mav Fan and don't follow the Spurs as closely as a Spurs fan does. Proof of what exactly? Practically everything I posted can be referenced if you want it.

Yes, I want it. Seeing these things do ented in writing would make them easier to swallow for everyone.

I wish I had time to explain further but basically AJ's number one goal was to beat the Spurs. He knew that if you play the Spurs, their only weakness defensively is against isolations. The Spurs are the best team in NBA history in terms of getting back on defense and forcing teams to play iso offense. AJ knew that, prepped his team to master the iso sets and beat the Spurs. It was a pretty damn genius move if your goal is to beat the Spurs. He basically made his team master the elements of the game the Spurs are weakest at.

Again, I'm sure Avery's number one goal was to win championships, beating the Spurs was just icing on the cake. About the iso offense, I don't think it was necessarily JUST to beat the Spurs, alot of teams had trouble with it and it got us to the finals. My problem is his inability to mix things up, especially after we no longer had the personnel for the iso offense to be effective. In 2006, we had an abundance of scorers, slashers, and playmakers who created matchup nightmares in the iso offense. Since then, Stackhouse got old, Jason Terry no longer occasionally drives, Josh Howard fell in love with his jumpshot, Daniels was traded away as well as Devin Harris. All the pieces that made the iso offense work are now gone, and he refuses just adjust his offense to play more into the strengths of his newly acquired hall of fame point guard. That's where my problem lies, among other things(such as his ridiculous subs utions and adjustments).

Truth is Duncan went out of his way to meet with AJ before the Lakers series in 2003 and 2004. WTF would he go out of the way to talk strategy with someone he hates? That doesn't make any sense. Being classy has nothing to do with it.

Maybe there is some brilliance to AJ, I'm not saying he's necessarily the equivalent of a basketball re . It's just that his maniac tendencies, losing the respect of his team, control issues and tendency to try to micromanage take away from his good qualities and prevent him from being a good coach. Have you ever known someone to be really smart, but was a terrible test taker? Some people also make poor decisions under pressure that they wouldn't normally make. AJ's decision making in close games this year was downright horrible.

Seriously though, I get why Mav Fan is mad at AJ. You don't win a championship and the head coach is the first one looked at as the scapegoat.

It's not just that the head coach is the first one looked at, he's a legitimate big part of the Mavs recent failures. I agree he's far from the only one to blame, but he's definately not the right fit here in Dallas and had to go.

The Spurs were about 24 hours away from firing Pop in 1999. Believe me, if the Mavs hadn't choked in 2006, AJ would still have a job.

If. But they did, and AJ choked just as bad as any player on the roster.

AJ was a lame duck since Game 3 of the 2006 NBA Finals.

Fixed.

[Bruno]

the biggest timvp rider on

So true...

[Red Hawk #21]

Thank you!!! It's very nice to read something like this from unbiased fans. Very few people seem to notice these things, they all want to bash Dirk, as if there ever was a player to consistently go at double teams alone without team help. The lack of ball movement in those series was unbeliavable.

Most people seem to not even watch the Mavs games, all they do is listen to BSPN and they decide that Dirk is a choker when in reality Avery got outcoached every single year in Dallas, Dirk never had a real second option in the 2006 finals, Dirk was constantly doubled and tripled vs the warriors and no one else could step up. Dirk is even starting to remind of me my hero Dominique Wilkins who also went through these kind of things, hopefully Dirk can overcome these things and win a ring someday because I really think he would have won the 2006 finals if the refs didn't hate cuban.

[Troll_Dynasty]

Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe yourself.

Maybe you should put this in your sig.

[CP3 Dynasty]

AJ is a great coach, he just needs a real point guard like me, a true MVP.

Jason Kidd can't hold me!

[j-6]

Is that Deauxma in your sig? She's a Spurs fan?

OK, I perved up for this one. According to her blog (http://deauxmadaily.blogspot.com/ - NSFW) she sure is a Spurs fan.

[some_user86]

Is that Deauxma in your sig? She's a Spurs fan?

Yes she is, apparently.

Big D: Go to the movies or go to the ballgame?

Deauxma: I'd go to the game. I love sports. Big Spurs fan. Love NASCAR. Love Jeff Gordon and Dale Jr. In football we have the Dallas Cowboys and the Houston Texans. And in college we are big UT fans. Go Horns! We also like Ohio State.

LINK: http://www.xrentdvd.com/Porn_Star_In...s/Deauxma.html

Sports & Hobbies – My favorite sport is playing sand volleyball. I also love to watch basketball and football. Go San Antonio Spurs. I am also a huge NASCAR fan. My favorite drivers are #8 Dale Jr. and #24 Jeff Gordon. I love going to the stock car races and wearing tight tops and jeans to see if anybody notices me.

LINK: http://www.dreamnet.com/deauxma/deauxmabio.html


WARNING. Though there is no X-rated images on the above links, they are not Workplace Safe (TM).

[some_user86]

OK, I perved up for this one. According to her blog (http://deauxmadaily.blogspot.com/ - NSFW) she sure is a Spurs fan.

Ah, beat me to it.

[LakerHater]

Is that Deauxma in your sig? She's a Spurs fan?

yeah it is!! She's a HUGE SPURS fan!! She also lives here, not to sure if she is from here though.