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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    For what it is worth, for all the talk about Dems getting cheesed if their candidate doesn't win the nomination, I will work hard for Hillary to win in November if it all pans out that way.
    Please don't feed the trolls, there is no mathematical way Hillary can win....

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    Bump. 'cause this thread is golden, baby.

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    Bump. 'cause this thread is golden, baby.
    in light of the 57 Obama states, yes.

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    in light of the 57 Obama states, yes.
    ooooh man that was so weak, I had to put it to sleep and bury it in the back yard.

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    ooooh man that was so weak, I had to put it to sleep and bury it in the back yard.
    Hope neither sleeps or gets buried. Hope is as Hope does.

    -Obama Gump.

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    so it was the expert that was confused when he didn't mention iraq but went on and only talked about iran
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    Either that or it was an administration official that didn't want to admit that indeed the Shia dominated government was looking the other way when the Shia government in Iran was sending weapons to the Shia militias that are killing Sunnis.

    Kind of hard to get Sunnis to the bargaining table with the Iraqi government if they think the government is helping arm the people who are trying to kill them, so an administration "expert" might have some reason to either provaricate or pretend he didn't hear the question and stick to his talking points like any other politician/diplomat.

    Understanding the exchange takes a very nuanced understanding of the situation on the ground in Iraq. If you need some confirmation of this, try www.globalsecurity.org or some similar non-partisan think tank website to brush up on this.

    Further, in a political context Obama's question makes even more sense, especially if you put him in the position to ask questions of an expert who might say something embarrassing to the administration of his political opponents if Obama could get him to admit that indeed the Iraqi government is helping Shia militias.

    Wouldn't that be something of a talking point about Iraq, if the Iraqi government was complicit in helping arm the very militias we are fighting?

    This video shows little more than either an "expert" who either misheard a question, or who simply didn't want to say something both diplomatically and politically damaging in such a public format.

    Just in case anyone missed this.

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    I know you have the opinion that all Obama supporters are all starry eyed zealots, but I have yet to meet any that have seriously said they would vote for McCain if Hillary gets the nomination.
    Yeah, you might be right. I don't see the radical lefties or blacks voting Republican under any cir stances. On the other hand, Hillary is not exactly a unifying person herself. I can see enough of St. Obama's true believers staying home over voting for Hillary to make things interesting.

    But she would, indeed, be the stronger candidate in the general. She won't lose "middle America" as badly as will Obama. And McCain is not exactly a great candidate himself. So, if the Democrats end up choosing Hillary, it's not all bad for them. She might end up winning.

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    Hope neither sleeps or gets buried. Hope is as Hope does.

    -Obama Gump.
    ''Then you wake up at the high school level and find out that the illiteracy level of our children are appalling.''
    —President George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004


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    ''I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me.''
    —President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004

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    ''I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound largemouth bass in my lake.''
    —President George W. Bush, on his best moment in office, interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, May 7, 2006

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    ''I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace.''
    —President George W. Bush, Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002

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    http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr..._generator.htm


    Let me know when BO has a "random Barack quote" generator.


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    I'll take the bad grammar over the mathematically challenged Barrack "i need an abacus to determine the number of states in the union" obama.

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    http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr..._generator.htm


    Let me know when BO has a "random Barack quote" generator.


    That'll be hard, Barrack sticks to teleprompters.

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    Yeah, you might be right. I don't see the radical lefties or blacks voting Republican under any cir stances. On the other hand, Hillary is not exactly a unifying person herself. I can see enough of St. Obama's true believers staying home over voting for Hillary to make things interesting.

    But she would, indeed, be the stronger candidate in the general. She won't lose "middle America" as badly as will Obama. And McCain is not exactly a great candidate himself. So, if the Democrats end up choosing Hillary, it's not all bad for them. She might end up winning.
    As I have opined before, Bush will be the albatross around McCain's neck that he will be unable to escape. Damned if he criticizes, damned if he doesn't.

    The democratic nominee will only nominally be runing against McCain.

    Face it, this election is a referendum about two things: Iraq and the Bush presidency.

    All BO has to do, is not f*** up and shoot himself in the foot too badly.

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    I'll take the bad grammar over the mathematically challenged Barrack "i need an abacus to determine the number of states in the union" obama.
    That's it? Your "A" game? The best you have?


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    For your reading pleasure;

    Article published Saturday, May 24, 2008
    Not so smart after all?


    WHAT should be the theme song for Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign?

    Some think it should be Carly Simon's 1972 smash hit, "You're So Vain," (I bet you think this speech is about you).

    Most of us have a higher opinion of ourselves than objective cir stances warrant. But in few of us is the gap between how we view ourselves and reality as wide as it is with Mr. Obama.

    Mr. Obama is a bright, handsome, personable guy who gives a good speech (when he's working from a prepared text). But he's never actually done much of anything. The biggest tic on his resume to date is that he was president of the Harvard Law Review. That's impressive, but not exactly the stuff of Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt, or Ronald Reagan, guys who could turn a phrase, too. Mr. Obama's self-regard is such that he already has written two autobiographical books.

    Little seems to annoy Mr. Obama more than when others do not hold him in as high esteem as he holds himself. He apparently was dozing in the pews when his pastor said America is no better than al-Qaeda and our government created the AIDS virus to exterminate blacks. But his ears perked up when the Rev. Jeremiah Wright implied that he had been insincere in describing their relationship: "That's a show of disrespect to me," Mr. Obama said.

    A focus on himself and a hypersensitivity to perceived slights may explain why Mr. Obama thought President Bush was speaking about him when the President denounced appeasement in a speech to the Israeli parliament May 15.

    "I understand when you are running for office sometimes you think the world revolves around you," responded White House Press Secretary Dana Perino. "That is not always true, and it is not true in this case."

    Mr. Obama's prolonged response to the Knesset speech - one of the largest unforced errors I've seen in politics - suggests another candidate for campaign theme song, Sam Cooke's 1960 ditty, "Wonderful World." The opening lyric is: "Don't know much about history." <good one Jack>

    In arguing to reporters that face-to-face meetings with America's enemies without preconditions isn't appeasement, Mr. Obama claimed President Kennedy's summit meeting with Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev in Vienna helped defuse the Cuban missile crisis.

    The Vienna summit took place in June of 1961, the Cuban missile crisis in October of 1962. Many historians believe the summit was a cause of the Cuban missile crisis: "There is reason to believe that Khrushchev took Kennedy's measure in June, 1961, and decided this was a young man who would shrink from hard decisions," wrote Elie Abel, author of The Missiles of October.

    In his victory speech after the North Carolina primary, Mr. Obama said: "I trust the American people to understand that it is not weakness, but wisdom, to talk not just to our friends, but to our enemies, like Roosevelt did, and Kennedy did, and Truman did."

    Neither FDR nor Truman met with Hitler, Tojo, or Mussolini before or during World War II. Their policy was unconditional surrender. They did meet with Stalin during World War II. But the Soviet Union was then a U.S. ally.

    Then Mr. Obama said his willingness to meet face to face with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran could be a "Nixon to China" moment. But Richard Nixon could make his overture to split China from the Soviet Union precisely because of his reputation as a tough anti-communist. Mr. Obama does not enjoy a reputation for toughness. And there were plenty of preconditions before Nixon and Mao Zedong met. When you're in a hole, you should stop digging.

    Another lyric in the Sam Cooke song is: "Don't know much about geography." In a speech in Oregon last week, Mr. Obama said he'd campaigned in 57 states, and in the "Oregon plan" his campaign released, he promised to protect "national treasures like the Great Lakes," the nearest of which is about 1,700 miles east of Oregon.

    This week Mr. Obama said Hillary Clinton had an advantage in Kentucky because "she comes from the nearby state of Arkansas." Mr. Obama's home state of Illinois borders on Kentucky. Arkansas doesn't.

    If John McCain were saying these things, there'd be much media speculation about "senior moments."

    Is Mr. Obama suffering from early onset Alzheimer's? Or is he just not as smart as he imagines himself to be?

    Jack Kelly is a columnist for The Blade and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

    http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...ST14/805240332

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    What pastors say or said doesn't matter.

    For either side.

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    What pastors say or said doesn't matter.

    For either side.
    In general, I would agree. However, Obama claimed his was his mentor for 20 years. That has some meaning, doesn't it?

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    In general, I would agree. However, Obama claimed his was his mentor for 20 years. That has some meaning, doesn't it?
    Nah. Obama's beliefs are Obama's. Not Wright's. Only an idiot would think they are.

    If you want to make an issue out of that, I suppose it's open season on McCain for actively seeking out the endorsement of an anti-Catholic preacher who called Nazis God's hunters.

    Neither one is a real issue though. Just more made up bull .

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    That'll be hard, Barrack sticks to teleprompters.
    Ah. the gold one finds in old subscribed threads.

    The irony given the orange turds verbal diarrhea is palpable.

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