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agreed, your describtion of rush is exactly why i wouldnt mind him because he could provide defense. Agreed on lee being the better of the 2 also.
i'll add this - which in part describes my preference for CDR - i like the idea of drafting a wing who is a slasher. we saw what happened in the playoffs when we couldn't get the ball to the rim. defenses just crowded the shooters which resulted in some ugly jumpers.
and rush - at least right now - is not a guy who can reliably take the ball to the hole. he's a great athlete, but his handle ranges from iffy to terrible, and he really struggles to go left.
he provides some things that finley does not - rebounding, defense. but offensively, i think he'd play pretty similar to finley in style.
Lee isn't really a slasher either, but I think his jumper and ability to get the shot off is quite a bit better than the other 2 guys.
agreed, your describtion of rush is exactly why i wouldnt mind him because he could provide defense. Agreed on lee being the better of the 2 also.
I agree that Rush would be a very nice addition and looks almost perfect considering what we need.
but I see the chance to get him at 5% at best. there are just to many other teams out there, that are looking for such a player and are picking ahead of us. and reading some other teams sites and also reports about the draft needs, many are very high on Rush. word is that the Suns have him on top of their list, which would mean he goes at 15. even is not, Nets, Magic, Cavs and Nuggets are teams that could take him.
the point is, that there are few doubts that he will be a decent role player at worst. so he will be a low risk pick for team that already have enough star power, but are lacking depth.
btw. I like the Eddie Jones comparison best (as the best case) and think that also the other comparison Azubuike is accurate. (as worst case)
taking Rush will be a dream, he can take finley role and give more consistent 3 point shot than finley this year, better athlete, better defence and better rebound.
still i dont think he will be available in the 26 pick, so i think we need to make a little trade to move up in the draft.
Last edited by kobyz; 06-02-2008 at 05:59 AM.
I agree. IMO, this would be THE guy. Sure, he's got some warts, but does appear to be one of the most NBA swingmen in the draft. Him being avaiable at the Spursn pick, would be a dream.
So he can shoot. How's his defense?
very good, he was the best defender on the Kansas team
Still prefer Batum
But hes likely to be gone so Rush would be my choice.
in chad fords (not sure how good he is from year to year) but chad has rush going at 15. not sure if he'll fall that low to us..
I read about this guy heard he has a good jump shot and he played Kevin Durant well. I don't really pay attention to college basketball.
He did do the best job on Durant of anybody I saw last year. However, I think that's led to his defense being overrated a bit.
Don't get me wrong - he's still a good defender. I just don't see that he's a great defender.
Both Chalmers & Robinson were better and more consistent defenders than Rush this past season.
Chalmers didnt face to many PG's over 6 foot in college though.
Chalmers often guarded the opponent's best perimeter player, unless that was a wing who was much bigger.
Mario goes about 6'1, but he's strong and his wingspan is that of a 6'3 or 6'4 player.
He was the one hounding Rose most of the championship game, meanwhile CDR was having pretty good success against Rush, et al
I think I prefer Batum over Rush, but I would be happy with this pick.
Rush would be a great fit for SA as well as for himself.
I will however ramble for a second knowing we have no shot at drafting him.
Rush is one of those rare breeds. Personally reminds me of Joe Johnson who was only at Arkansas for 1.5 years. He is a flat out horse, hustler, and can jump through the rough--exactly what the Spurs need in a player he is fundamental, well rounded and doesn't possess a major weakness other than injury prone risks.
To me landing Rush would be a dream. And if I am SA hierarchy, I am looking to trade up in this draft, or someone trade for him. He is that good and I rarely admire a kid this much coming out of college.
the more people talk about chalmers the more i like him. we need to trade up to get him.
Strange Rush and CDR didnt measure at the combine
trading up to have a back up PG, no way and he could be here when the spurs pick
If we trade up in the draft i think it will be for a must need like a wing player or a good big if splitters tays in tau
It most likley won't be necessary. He'll be available perhaps until the very start of the second.
He has a terrible handle, can't create his own shot, can't get to the rim, gets lazy on defense for long stretches, has been known to completely disappear in some games, and there are some minor off the court issues as well.
Now, that probably tears him down more than he deserves. I think he'll be an NBA rotation player sooner than later. But to say that he has no weaknesses is ridiculous.
However, I expect him to be more of a poor man's Luke Walton as opposed to a Joe Johnson type of player.
If you are referring to the second round picks - then that would make sense.
It would not make sense to move up from 26 for Chalmers.
Lee, Walker, Budinger and Chalmers also didn't. (Rush did the test in 2005.) I hate it, that almost all our potential targets didn't show up. all top players showed up and risked to get bad numbers. (like Lopez in the sprint and agility test). but this guys pass???
The only one of that group who isn't obviously big enough to play his position is Chalmers - and RC can use his relationship with Bill Self to get that data without fear of being bull ted.
Rush does seem to have the appropriate physical abilities and emotional maturity needed to step in and contribute. While you never know about these things, the latest mock draft (Version 3.0) has him falling to San Antonio @ #26.
http://realgm.com/src_feature/1253/2...camp_edition)/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Rush-78/
Strengths:
Rush is a smooth and effortless swingman with outstanding size, length, athleticism and offensive instincts.
Offensively, Rush shows the ability to score from almost anywhere on the court. He has terrific instincts to put the ball inside the basket, and it’s always been clear that basketball comes very easy (maybe too easy…) for him, particularly when it comes to scoring. He’s one of the most accurate outside shooters in the NCAA, shooting 51% from behind the arc this season on about three attempts per game. His mechanics are not pretty or particularly conventional, especially with his ability to utilize his athleticism and get better lift on his jump-shot, but it goes in for him at a good enough clip that there probably isn’t any reason to worry or change it besides improving the quickness of his release.
On the defensive end, Rush has never been known as a great half-court man to man defender, but has shown the willingness and ability to get better during the course of his freshman year. He has great potential here thanks to his terrific length, quickness and frame; and has used this numerous times already to come up with some very nice blocked shots both on the perimeter and recovering from the weak-side inside the paint, or even to step in once in a while and take a charge. His rebounding has been very good this year for Kansas, elevating high off the ground, not being afraid to mix it up boxing out and showing great hands rebounding out of his area.
Weaknesses:
As a player that freely admits to never really being coached before being thrown straight into the fire for a very young Kansas team, Rush is lacking a lot of experience and savvy at this point in his career.
His slashing ability is probably the area that raises the most concern. Never known as a great ball-handler, Rush has problems taking advantage of his athletic gifts to get himself easy shots around the basket, particularly in half-court sets. Being used to just overpowering high school players with his strength and athleticism, he’s missing a lot of the crafty moves that most NBA wing players have in their repertoire to create space and free themselves up on the perimeter. Rush is averaging just over 2 free throw attempts per game at the time of this report, which is an alarmingly low number for a player with his physical gifts. Beyond his average ball-skills, he just does not take the ball strong enough to the hoop. Many will wonder whether he is tough enough to capitalize on his athleticism until he proves them wrong. His left hand is extremely poor, and any NBA advance scout worth his salt will pick up on that immediately and tell his coaching staff to force him to either go left or just give up the ball if he's not spotting up for an open 3-pointer.
Defensively, Rush is again lacking experience defending high caliber players on the perimeter. He was always the unquestioned star of his AAU and prep school team, and therefore wasn’t expected to participate in the little defense they played on the court anyway. As mentioned already, he has excellent potential in this part of his game, but isn’t always 100% focused on staying in front of his man. Good coaching, more practice against better offensive players and especially adding some strength to his excellent frame will help him here, particularly in the lower body. He appears to be more of a small forward than a shooting guard anyway, so bulking up will be a priority for him to guard the bigger and stronger players we usually find at the 3 spot in the NBA.
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