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Exactly. That was Scola's value on the open market - getting a team to eat Jackie Butler's deal.
Nobody was willing to eat Butler's deal and offer any value in exchange for Luis.
Oh well. He's too old anyways
Exactly. That was Scola's value on the open market - getting a team to eat Jackie Butler's deal.
Nobody was willing to eat Butler's deal and offer any value in exchange for Luis.
haha too late now, NO REFUNDS!
True enough. ing about it won't do anything. Memphis has always been a poorly run organization -- even when the "great" Jerry West was in charge.
It's not that ya'll didn't want him, it's that ya'll didn't stand a chance on getting him.
Besides, if he would have gone over there, Kobe would demand a trade because there is no room for 2 superstars. That's what he did with Snaq.
It does not take a genius to realize something shady went down when this `trade` was made. I have to wonder if pop also feels he didn't get equal value with the scola trade.
Of course the Spurs didn't get equal value for the Scola trade. It was a salary dump.
Did New Orleans get equal value when they sent Baron Davis to Golden State for Dale Davis and Speedy Claxton? Baron Davis . . UCLA . . Los Angeles . . . sounds like Jerry West may have been involved in this "trade" too.
The NBA even screwed the kids because Pau Gasol is further from Sesame Street now.
Lakers signed Derek Fisher, he is older than Tim.
Yes. It was a horrible miscalculation. Hard to believe anyone would believe Bonner has more upside potential than Scola, but we did.
He's now questioning it?
Did it go like this?:
February: We trade Gasol to Lakers for Kwame Brown.
March: Nothing.
April: Nothing.
May: Nothing.
June: Wait... what the was I thinking?
So was the gasol trade. Salary dump which will allow them to sign an all-star type player and they got two prospects and two picks out the deal as well.
Lakers' fans seem to top the list of those too stupid to figure out how to go to the control panel and select their favorite team to list in their profile. Why am I not surprised?
Salary dump. What I hate about the trade is it also had the effect of making Dallas and Phoenix implode in the west taking questionable actions. I know people cited the Spurs as the reason for the Shaq trade, but I think the Gasol deal pushed it to the tipping point.(heck the Spurs even picked up Tim overrated Thomas) Memphis didn't care about winning or the effect they would have on this league. The owner wants to sell and by the time they're good, Gasol will be retired.
More like
February: We trade Gasol to Lakers for Kwame Brown? Okay, if you say so, Jerry.
March: Nothing.
April: Nothing.
May: Nothing.
June: Wait... Jerry hasn't worked for us since when?
just curious, when did the spurs picked up tim thomas?
They got him in the Damon Jones deal.
Another piece to this trade that is conveniently left out - the Lakers included the "retired" Aaron McKie to the deal. He had no intention of returning to play in the NBA and didn't play a single game with Memphis. But the league approved the deal because he made a "good-faith effort" to return as a player. If he had said that he didn't want to return, they couldn't have used him the trade. And if he wasn't included, the trade as it stands would not have happened.
Would they have added someone else to replace his salary? Who knows? But this part of the trade is as questionable as the rest of it.
Although this deal hasn't panned out, it still has potential.
Critter has probably the biggest upside of any young player you don't know about. He's a big guard with show-stopping handles and the quickness of Monta Ellis. He has talent no doubt but can they hone his skills. He's wild but has already shown flashes of brilliance that would rival Kevin Durant.
Marc Gasol, from what I've seen is a solid young player. He's not quick but he's big, strong with decent skill. Probably a low end NBA starting center right now with potential to be a decent center.
Right now, the deal looks crazy but so did Pau's paycheck for a perennial loser. But in the future, I think it won't look bad at all.
"The Grizzlies got what they wanted out of the deal." That smacks of urban legend. Like, "A guy traded his Bentley straight up for my friend's Hyundai. The guy said that all he wanted was better gas mileage." High school students tell those stories to each other - and a few mentally defective adults. If your kid comes home with a new $800 bicycle, and tells you that he traded his $50 skateboard for it, you probably aren't going to believe it. If you do, you're either hopelessly naive, or you don't want to look at the unpleasant truth.
I hear people talk about Occam's Razor - the idea that "all other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best one". And that line of reasoning always rules out any sort of conspiracy. Because conspiracies are, by nature, complex. But the problem is, we know that sometimes people conspire.
The other problem is, everything here isn't equal. On the one hand, we have the idea that Jerry West greased the wheels to help out his first love - the Lakers. On the other hand, the new Memphis GM threw away millions of dollars and the future of his team, because it just didn't occur to him to pick up the telephone. Those two theories aren't equal. The first may be unpleasant to think about. But at least it doesn't insult your intelligence to consider, like the second one does.
How is it easier to believe that Mitch Kupchak http://www.firemitchkupchak.com/ :http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/mitch_kupchak.htm went from idiot to genius overnight, than to believe that Jerry West had a hand in things? For that matter, how can anyone think that the league believed that Aaron McKie was going to play for Memphis?
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Marc Gasol, from what I've seen is a solid young player. He's not quick but he's big, strong with decent skill. Probably a low end NBA starting center right now with potential to be a decent center.
Actually, from what I've read, he seems to be a damn damn good player.
How quickly they forget. Baron Davis didn't want to be in New Orleans, because they were losers. And he essentially refused to play for them. He faked injuries (yes, some were legit) and stayed on the bench when he was perfectly healthy. Anyone who followed the game knew that he was faking, to force their hand on a trade.
His at ude problem was so obvious, and so well-known that he did interviews where he said that he "wasn't uncoachable". http://hoopshype.com/interviews/davis_narducci.htm That was because it was widely accepted that he was a serious risk due to his at ude. And that made him worth a lot less in any potential trade. New Orleans got what they could for him. And there were still plenty of questions about whether Golden State was stupid for taking him.
You can't even compare the two scenarios. Baron Davis screwed New Orleans, not some back-door deal.
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