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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    That's a of a way to decide the next leader of the country. . . .
    just like the obamniacs are voting for a guy with the experience needed to e the leader of the free world .. He looks great in a suit and can give one of a speech..experience? who cares ..

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    just like the obamniacs are voting for a guy with the experience needed to e the leader of the free world .. He looks great in a suit and can give one of a speech..experience? who cares ..
    Yes, that's exactly why Obama voters are supporting him - because he looks good in a suit and makes great speeches. That's why John Edwards, Jimmy Carter, Ted Kennedy, etc. support him - because he looks good in a suit and makes great speeches. That's why Mark McKinnon, one of McCain's top advisors, is supporting Obama - because he looks good in a suit and makes great speeches. It's why Julie Nixon Eisenhower is supporting him - because he looks good in a suit and makes great speeches.


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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Yes, that's exactly why Obama voters are supporting him - because he looks good in a suit and makes great speeches. That's why John Edwards, Jimmy Carter, Ted Kennedy, etc. support him - because he looks good in a suit and makes great speeches. That's why Mark McKinnon, one of McCain's top advisors, is supporting Obama - because he looks good in a suit and makes great speeches. It's why Julie Nixon Eisenhower is supporting him - because he looks good in a suit and makes great speeches.

    So why did they wait to support him? Why not from the very beginning? Carter just in the last week voiced his support and Edwards a few weeks ago? If they supported him why wait until they know he's going to win? Care to answer? BY the way what has he done to garner your support? Anything in his past that you can hang your hat on?

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    George Gervin's Haircut is right -- the Dems are on the verge of nominating yet another elitist, on the basis of his looks and rhetorical skills. It certainly isn't because of his resume. Clinton supporters have a right to be steamed -- at least their girl would stand a chance in the general.

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    So why did they wait to support him? Why not from the very beginning? Carter just in the last week voiced his support and Edwards a few weeks ago? If they supported him why wait until they know he's going to win? Care to answer?
    Carter and Edwards are the only ones on the list that were late to the party. Carter said he would hold out until after the primary from the beginning, so really we're looking at Edwards. As for why Edwards held out, I couldn't tell you. The rumors were that he was unhappy with Barack's decision not to push for universal health coverage. If so, that's understandable.

    BY the way what has he done to garner your support? Anything in his past that you can hang your hat on?
    Yes. As I've stated in previous posts, Obama graduated from an Ivy League school for undergrad and instead of cashing in, he decided to become a community organizer, working for very little money. This isn't someone who just claims to care about people in society, he walked the walk.

    Later, he attended Harvard Law School, where he became the first Black editor of the Harvard Law Review. Again, for someone in his position, large corporate law firms were taking a number to throw money at him. He could have easily parlayed that JD into a job that would have made him a wealthy man. He didn't take a corporate firm job and instead, worked on voter registration drives. He also became a civil rights attorney during that time. In case your are unaware, civil rights is not a high-paying area of the law, save for a few like Johnnie Cochran.

    All of this is before he even started life as an elected official.

    When I see his history, I see someone who has acted on the things that mattered to him, even if it was to his detriment. I see someone who put his community and fellow man ahead of his personal interests. That's the kind of leader I want for this country.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Carter and Edwards are the only ones on the list that were late to the party. Carter said he would hold out until after the primary from the beginning, so really we're looking at Edwards. As for why Edwards held out, I couldn't tell you. The rumors were that he was unhappy with Barack's decision not to push for universal health coverage. If so, that's understandable.



    Yes. As I've stated in previous posts, Obama graduated from an Ivy League school for undergrad and instead of cashing in, he decided to become a community organizer, working for very little money. This isn't someone who just claims to care about people in society, he walked the walk.

    Later, he attended Harvard Law School, where he became the first Black editor of the Harvard Law Review. Again, for someone in his position, large corporate law firms were taking a number to throw money at him. He could have easily parlayed that JD into a job that would have made him a wealthy man. He didn't take a corporate firm job and instead, worked on voter registration drives. He also became a civil rights attorney during that time. In case your are unaware, civil rights is not a high-paying area of the law, save for a few like Johnnie Cochran.

    All of this is before he even started life as an elected official.

    When I see his history, I see someone who has acted on the things that mattered to him, even if it was to his detriment. I see someone who put his community and fellow man ahead of his personal interests. That's the kind of leader I want for this country.
    I get that your enamored with him but from what I see he is an Ivy leagure grad..so is his opponent... his opponent is also an attorney who worked in the civil rights arena as well.. got anything else? Being a good guy doesn't automatically make you qualified to be president? See Dubya as the latest example..

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    I get that your enamored with him but from what I see he is an Ivy leagure grad..so is his opponent... his opponent is also an attorney who worked in the civil rights arena as well.. got anything else? Being a good guy doesn't automatically make you qualified to be president? See Dubya as the latest example..
    Who said Dubya was a good guy? I think you are purposefully confusing my assertion that Obama worked in his community and served others for the oft-mentioned notion that Bush is a sociable guy. I don't think those are exactly the same. I know a lot of sociable people that could give a about helping others.

    Also, when did Hillary practice as a civil rights lawyer? My understanding is that Hillary took a corporate position at the Rose Law Firm. I can't really hold that against her though because I know she did do a lot of work on behalf of children and I commend her for that. In my opinion, she's a superior candidate to McCain and would be a better president than Bush was.

    I've never really felt that I have to somehow dismiss Hillary to support Obama. Hillary would have been better than the Republican alternative, but I preferred Obama. And frankly, I think he's has enough history of trying to improve the lives of others to merit my support.

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    At least it will be easy for Obamas speech writers. They can just recycle.

    I can see it now...






    That was funny.

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    That's why John Edwards, Jimmy Carter, Ted Kennedy, etc. support him - because he looks good in a suit and makes great speeches.


    talk about an endorsement!!!:

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    Then again ... three of the most eloquent men in American History (Henry Clay, William Jennings Bryan, Daniel Webster) wanted to be President. And all of them lost, Bryan 4 times! And the Bushes, who are not known for their rhetorical skills, managed to get elected 3 times. So, perhaps eloquence is not such a sure way to get elected.

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    Then again ... three of the most eloquent men in American History (Henry Clay, William Jennings Bryan, Daniel Webster) wanted to be President. And all of them lost, Bryan 4 times! And the Bushes, who are not known for their rhetorical skills, managed to get elected 3 times. So, perhaps eloquence is not such a sure way to get elected.
    All those men atleast knew the correct number of states in the union.

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    Yeah, I'm willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on that one. His 57 states gaffe is nothing compared to his radical lefty associations and promises to raise taxes, have summits with foreign dictators (we've covered these before).

    We should just give Americans credit for being able to see through a phony. The Democrats, once again, have nominated an elitist milquetoast who is dovish on foreign policy, a tax hiker, well to the left of most his party on social issues, and carries alot of racial and class-warfare baggage. Candidates like him (e.g., Dukaka, Mon-dull, Kerry, McGovern) tend to get creamed in national elections.

    But since he's running against a moderate Repub, he might yet pull this election out. But right now my $$'s on McCain.

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    Problem is, true or not, it is very believeable.

    ... if you are an idiot who is incapable of critical thinking.

    It is about as believable as McCain's bas black child.

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    ... if you are an idiot who is incapable of critical thinking.
    Why is it a stretch to believe she said that, after other remarks she has made, and the tone of the church they used to attend?

    My God man... You aren't open minded in the least if you think it's not possible.

    I think I have proven you wrong often enough that you just have to take pot-shots at me at every opportunity. I suggest you do better than theses silly rants you have had recently.

    It is about as believable as McCain's bas black child.
    I would say it's unlikely, but not impossible. I would be a fool to say that couldn't possible of happened.

    Still, I would say the Mic e Obama's 'whitey' statement is far more plausible than McCain having a bas child. , it's more likely I have a bas child that I don't know of. That would be in my younger days though, and my bas child would be about 30 now.

    Could you be my bas child? Who is your mother?

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    Republicraps are just pissed that their party nominated McSame and getting the same old CONservative bs that they've fallen in love with. Well suck it up while it lasts boys.


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    Republicraps are just pissed that their party nominated McSame and getting the same old CONservative bs that they've fallen in love with. Well suck it up while it lasts boys.

    Republicans didn't get McCain elected. The open primary process did. Conservatives don't like McCain. Only some republicans do.

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    I don't care how good he looks in a suit and how great a speaker he is. Boil down the content of his message and it is:

    1) I want to dramatically raise your taxes
    2) I want to dramatically increase the size of the federal government.
    3) I want the US to unilaterally handicap US businesses competing in a world economy by increasing already stringent environmental controls (monitored and controlled by the federal government) that other countries will not have to abide by.

    And THATS change you can believe in.

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    I don't care how good he looks in a suit and how great a speaker he is. Boil down the content of his message and it is:

    1) I want to dramatically raise your taxes
    2) I want to dramatically increase the size of the federal government.
    3) I want the US to unilaterally handicap US businesses competing in a world economy by increasing already stringent environmental controls (monitored and controlled by the federal government) that other countries will not have to abide by.

    And THATS change you can believe in.
    BINGO

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    1) I want to dramatically raise your taxes
    2) I want to dramatically increase the size of the federal government.
    3) I want the US to unilaterally handicap US businesses competing in a world economy by increasing already stringent environmental controls (monitored and controlled by the federal government) that other countries will not have to abide by.
    1. Yes much better to continue running deficits and devaluating the dollar until gas reaches, what? $8-$10 per gallon...the war piper must be paid someday, we can't continue to fund our economy and the war with our kids credit card...

    2. The Government didn't expand under Republican rule? Discretionary and nondiscretionary spending rose at record levels...

    3. Can we ever compete with $.38 an hour China pays its slave labor?

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    Driving back from Corpus I caught Morris on XM talking about the election.

    It's his take that the Dems will have an overwhelming majority in the Senate (something like 60+ seats) and in the House (I don't recall what he said, but it was huge), but he did say that Barack Obama is unelectable for President and that he expected McCain to win.
    That's kind of how I see it playing out... the Democrats are making enormous inroads into what used to be Republican strongholds. The GOP brand is toxic and even in bent Republicans will be kicked out on their asses in all but the most conservative districts -- basically, rural areas and that's it.

    But Obama on the other hand has been hemorrhaging traditional Democratic cons uencies for a few months now. How does a Democrat win the general election with shaky-at-best support from Hispanics, working-class whites, women, and Jews?

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    I agree. The D's crush the R's but McCain wins.

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    This board will get even funnier as election day approaches . . .

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    Imaginations run wild, literaly.

    From the National Review online of all places...
    Why Does the Mic e Obama Tape Rumor Match a 2006 Novel?

    Sometimes, this rumor of this alleged tape of Mic e Obama denouncing “whitey” sounds like something out of a clichéd political thriller novel.

    Actually, it sounds exactly like something out of a clichéd political thriller novel. Specifically, Stephen Frey’s The Power Broker, published in 2006 by Ballantine Books.

    A major plot line of the novel is the presidential campaign of Democrat Jesse Wood, aiming to be the country’s first African American president — “Wood was handsome, smart, charismatic, and being mentioned increasingly often in the press as someone who could unite a twenty-first century America growing more, not less, racially and economically divided.” (p.35)

    He’s a U.S. Senator from New York and former senior partner at a prestigious law firm. His backers include “some of the old Black Panthers.” He wants to make Puerto Rico a state, and a recurring figure in his campaign is a controversial minister from Philadelphia called “Jefferson Roundtree.”

    And by page 130, his opponents find a videotape that could ruin his candidacy…

    The camera focused on Wood, who was standing with Clarence Osgood, Stephanie Childress, and another man.

    “Who is that guy?” Johnson asked, taking a sip of soda. He’d known Osgood and Stephanie for a while so they were familiar to him right away. “He looks so damn fa-“ Johnson banged the sofa. “Now I remember. That’s Jefferson Roundtree, that activist minister from Philly.”

    “Nut job from Philly is more like it,” Forte said. “We don’t want Jesse anywhere near him now, don’t want Jesse seen with him at all because he scares the crap out of whites. But he served his purpose here,” Forte added quietly.

    “Boy, it’s a nice clear shot of Jesse-”

    “Shh! Here it is, here it is.” Forte picked up the remote and turned up the volume.

    The camera panned in on Wood’s handsome face as he turned to Roundtree. “Yeah, that Jew from CNN was such a pr***,” Wood said, smirking, “asking me about my voting record on civil rights.”

    “You got it, brother,” Roundtree agreed heartily. “Like any cracker should have the nerve to ask you about that.”

    Osgood and Stephanie nodded.

    Then there were a few muffled words, but nothing audible…

    [skipping over a few paragraphs of the bad guys discussing where to send the tape]

    “It won’t be necessary believe me,” Forte interrupted again, pointing at the screen. “Keep watching.”

    There was more muffled chatter, then Wood held his hands up.

    He said, “You know, I had to put up with so much crap from Whitey when I was playing tennis back in the day, it was ridiculous. Real b****** stuff, too. Tennis racquets busted while I was in the shower, no towels, the worst locker, called n***** all the time, even by the help.” He looked over at Osgood. “I’m telling you, Clarence, if I get elected president, I’m gonna act the way I’m supposed to act in front of the camera. Smile and dance like a good black man, do what I’m expected to do like a good boy. But behind the scenes, I’ll f*** Whitey, and I’ll f*** him good, I really will.”

    Later the tape is used for blackmail by an ally, and then the real badguy — a Texan who owns a giant oil company named Hewitt (sorry, Hugh) — gets his hands on the tape. The description of the appropriate timing of the release of the videotape on p. 237 will sound familiar to those tracking the rumors of the alleged Mic e Obama tape.

    Hewitt thought for a second. “I’m going to let Jesse win the nomination and let the public get used to him as the Democratic candidate. Give the country some time to get to know Jesse Wood, to start to like him. And they will because he’s a very likeable guy. Then I’m going to drop the bomb, after everyone’s started to like him. That way the clip will have maximum effect and people will be as angry as they can be. Whites and blacks. Whites for the obvious reason, blacks because they’ll feel like he let ‘em down.”

    Now. Either author Stephen Frey is clairvoyant, writing this book in 2006. Or this is one of the all time amazing coincidences. Or whoever started this rumor got the idea from a novel.

    (The tape is kept secret by getting even more incriminating videotape of the badguys and creating a mutually-assured destruction pact. In a subsequent novel, we learn Wood won the election.)

    This unimaginable coincidence, coupled with Larry Johnson's unnecessarily profane and unresponsive answer to David Weigel when he asked about contradictions in the description of what's on the tape, ought to drive a stake into the heart of this rumor.

    Why is a conservative blogger putting this much effort into dispelling a rumor that, on paper at least, would hurt Obama? Because those who prefer a president besides Obama should not go through the summer and fall convinced that a magic-bullet devastating tape is going to appear as an October surprise to save the day.

    Also, there are a lot of good reasons to vote against Barack Obama; but what people claim Mic e Obama says on a tape that no one can produce and no one has seen isn't one of them.

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    Yes, I've read the article, too. Mic e Malkin, who I respect greatly, shares my skepticism about the whole "whitey" thing.

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    I dont think the video exists. Even if it does I seriously doubt that it would make much of a difference with his hardcore fans.

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