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    foul on Bibby that gave Kobe Freethrows at end of game 6 when Kings could have tied it anyways.
    Can you make a link with that? I'd like to save it. I'd appreciate it man...

    -Thanks for the link
    Last edited by Spur-Addict; 06-11-2008 at 01:08 AM. Reason: Thanks for the link

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    Can you make a link with that? I'd like to save it. I'd appreciate it man...

    -Thanks for the link
    Jesus Christ that's terrible. Not much even I can say about that except Game 5 had some similar questionable calls in the Kings favor.

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    Every other night game schedule for the 08 WCF stinks of conspiracy too.

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    What pisses me off even more is that Sterns response is that well he is trying to just make sure his sentence is lighter. Well no , but if he is lying then that would make his sentence worse??
    I am sorry, but I happen to believe Donaghy more than Stern on this. What does Donaghy have to gain by rolling over?? He is admitting that he gambled, but he is trying to say it was not just me. He accepts his part for gambling on the NBA. But where is Stern?? He is just saying he is a felony you cannot trust a felony????

    Where there is smoke there is Fire.

    This will be the NBA's version of the Steroids for MLB and if it does not admit its mistakes I wonder if the league will be around for long
    This is far worse than a few players getting all hopped up on roids. This goes all the way to the top to the Commissioner of the NBA. This is a huge stink and it won't go away until the FBI blows the lid and brings charges against the NBA. Rigging games benefits only gamblers. Stern wants certain teams in the finals why? Gambling. In fact, I would not be suprised to find organized crime behind all this lurking behind the scenes.

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    What pisses me off even more is that Sterns response is that well he is trying to just make sure his sentence is lighter. Well no , but if he is lying then that would make his sentence worse??
    I am sorry, but I happen to believe Donaghy more than Stern on this. What does Donaghy have to gain by rolling over?? He is admitting that he gambled, but he is trying to say it was not just me. He accepts his part for gambling on the NBA. But where is Stern?? He is just saying he is a felony you cannot trust a felony????

    Where there is smoke there is Fire.

    This will be the NBA's version of the Steroids for MLB and if it does not admit its mistakes I wonder if the league will be around for long
    How many NBA refs are convicted felons?
    How many NFL, NHL or MLB refs have convictions for anything?

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    foul on Bibby that gave Kobe Freethrows at end of game 6 when Kings could have tied it anyways.

    http://i27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg
    Damn and they called the foul on bibby that's unbelievable!! It look like kobe meant to do that . that was some ing UFC

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    How many NBA refs are convicted felons?
    How many NFL, NHL or MLB refs have convictions for anything?
    As of today only 1, that I know of.

    But we are talking about two different things. One is him betting on games. The other is the league fixing games. Do I think that there are more refs betting on games NO.

    Do I think that refs have been working with the league on fixing games to be in the leagues best interest yes.

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    Can the NBA take away the Lakers 2002 trophy and give it to the Kings instead?


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    Can the NBA take away the Lakers 2002 trophy and give it to the Kings instead?

    Probably not cuz it wasn't the Finals. But they sure as can take the trophy away from LA.

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    Probably not cuz it wasn't the Finals. But they sure as can take the trophy away from LA.
    What, the Kings couldn't beat the Nets?

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    What, the Kings couldn't beat the Nets?
    true. But then there would be a lot of pissed off Nets fans. Well, a few of them anyways.

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    My company's season tickets cost ~$250 per seat (2) per game this season; have been going up, of course, but have never been cheap. If what I have been paying for is not what it is purported to be......

    FWD, help me out here, do I have a case?

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    My company's season tickets cost ~$250 per seat (2) per game this season; have been going up, of course, but have never been cheap. If what I have been paying for is not what it is purported to be......

    FWD, help me out here, do I have a case?
    If you can prove it.

    Which, actually, any game Donaghy admitted to fixing should be easy to do.

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    Er, I made a mistake Kings could were only down one so they could have tied or gone ahead, they would have gotten the ball back if Bibby's nose hadn't fouled Kobe

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    I think this really cements the Spurs as one of the greatest champions of all time.
    overcoming adversity, the media, the referees, and hard playoff battles.

    i LOVE my spurs

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    I think this really cements the Spurs as one of the greatest champions of all time.
    overcoming adversity, the media, the referees, and hard playoff battles.

    i LOVE my spurs
    No. Spurs won in the off years of the NBA when there weren't any good teams.

    Who was their best compe ion outside of '03? The ing Suns and Mavs. Enough said.

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    No. Spurs won in the off years of the NBA when there weren't any good teams.

    Who was their best compe ion outside of '03? The ing Suns and Mavs. Enough said.
    That is a genius basketball take, Jeff.

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    No. Spurs won in the off years of the NBA when there weren't any good teams.

    Who was their best compe ion outside of '03? The ing Suns and Mavs. Enough said.


    ur an idiot.

    the suns were a great team that the spurs made look silly. the freakin Pistons were an awesome team. and just being able to win 4 in 9 years is a testemant to how dominant a team is.

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    My company's season tickets cost ~$250 per seat (2) per game this season; have been going up, of course, but have never been cheap. If what I have been paying for is not what it is purported to be......

    FWD, help me out here, do I have a case?
    Perhaps a class action deceptive trade suit? Yur compnay paid a lot of money for those tickets believing that the NBA game was sound and fair. The NBA represented and warranted that they had a sound reliable product and as it has been shown is very flawed. Much like Ford building a defective Ford Explorer.

    Hmm....I wonder if the fact the NBA knew they had problems and did nothing to remedy them might lead to punitive damages?? Bring on them treble damages!!!!

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    If enough evidence is gathered by the Feds, it will with certainty lead to a class action lawsuit.

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    Funny, there is no mention of that story on NBA.com

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    No. Spurs won in the off years of the NBA when there weren't any good teams.

    Who was their best compe ion outside of '03? The ing Suns and Mavs. Enough said.
    05 Pistons you dumb s......

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    Double * for this year and 2002. For the first time I actually feel sympathetic towards L.A. fans for being ed over (as well as every other fan of the NBA in general). I remember that game perfectly, and thinking damn that was rigged or something.

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    Phil Taylor > THE HOT BUTTON


    More fuel for the fire: The NBA's perception problem keeps growing Story Highlights



    Tim Donaghy's latest allegations are a boon for NBA conspiracy theorists
    Donaghy's claims of game-fixing play into the worst su ions about the NBA
    The NBA needs to start making refs more available to explain controversial calls


    It's a lot harder to laugh at the NBA conspiracy theorists today, isn't it?

    When they tell you that the 1985 draft lottery was rigged to make sure Patrick Ewing would be a Knick, they don't sound quite so paranoid or delusional anymore.

    If they lay out their theory that Michael Jordan's first retirement was really a hush-hush suspension for gambling, you don't feel quite as confident in brushing them off.

    And if they tell you Game 2 of this year's Finals, when the Celtics shot 38 free throws to the Lakers' 10, smells fishy, well, can you really argue?

    That's what Tim Donaghy, the rogue referee who is fast becoming commissioner David Stern's worst nightmare, has brought about with his stunning accusations of biased officiating, fixed playoff games and other improprieties. He has put it all in play -- all the su ions, all the skepticism, all the whispers that something about the NBA just doesn't feel completely on the up-and-up.

    We knew that Donaghy himself had bet on games and accepted cash for inside information to gamblers, crimes for which he has been convicted and faces a possible 33 months in prison. But in a letter filed by his lawyer to the sentencing court Tuesday, Donaghy alleges he was far from the only culprit, that the dishonesty and deception and rigging of outcomes in the NBA reached as far up as the league's executive offices.

    The veracity of Donaghy's claims, in which he named no names, is very much up for debate. As Stern pointed out Tuesday, these are the allegations of an admitted felon, and it's easy to attack his credibility. Also, although the specific allegations came to light Tuesday, Donaghy originally shared the information with the authorities months ago, yet he remains the only NBA official or executive charged with any wrongdoing. In short, the possibility exists that the accusations are as baseless as Stern says they are.

    But ... there is that "but," isn't there? There is so much smoke that maybe Donaghy is finally exposing the fire. Remember how the Miami Heat overcame a 2-0 Finals deficit in 2006 when Dwyane Wade suddenly began getting every call against the Dallas Mavericks? How about the end of Game 4 of the Lakers-Spurs series this year, when Brent Barry didn't get an obvious foul call just before the buzzer that might have given San Antonio life? Suddenly, crucial, controversial calls or non-calls all seem worthy of another look with a more cynical eye.

    Much of what Donaghy alleges seems plausible enough. The charges, if true, would explain a great deal. He told authorities that in 2002 two referees conspired in a playoff series to ensure the series would reach a seventh game. The only series that went seven games that year was the Western Conference finals between the Sacramento Kings and the Los Angeles Lakers, in which the Lakers shot a whopping 27 free throws in the fourth quarter of Game 6, helping them to avoid elimination in Los Angeles. They eventually won Game 7 in Sacramento as well.

    Anyone who watched that game remembers how strangely lopsided the officiating seemed, particularly in the fourth quarter. Among the egregiously blown calls was a blatant elbow by Kobe Bryant against the Kings' Mike Bibby that somehow escaped detection. It was a game that immediately aroused the su ion of conspiracy theorists and the su ion of Kings fans, but it was eventually chalked up as another example of the unpredictable nature of officiating rather than any intentional effort to control the outcome. Now, we're not so sure.

    But Donaghy doesn't stop there. He also claims that referees were instructed by league executives to protect star players from technical fouls and ejections in order to keep television ratings up, and that when a star player was ejected from a 2000 playoff game, an official was privately reprimanded by the league.
    It would be easier to chalk up all of this as the groundless allegations of a desperate man if it didn't play into so many of the su ions about the league that have existed for years but have been dismissed by the NBA as a minor annoyance instead of a serious issue to address. About two years ago, before the Donaghy scandal came to light, I sat with Stern in a conference room in the NBA offices in New York as he laughed off the idea that the league had a reputation for questionable officiating. He said there were no referees in any sport that were scrutinized more closely than NBA officials, and that he had no doubts about their honesty.

    Stern can't be laughing now. Even if Donaghy's claims aren't true, league executives have to recognize that the NBA has given fans reason to believe that his claims are, partly because of the league's cavalier at ude toward the inconsistencies in the way games are called. Players, coaches, media and fans have all questioned NBA officiating at one time or another, and the league would be wise to finally take those questions seriously.

    A good place to start would be with making the process more transparent, including having referees give more interviews to explain controversial calls. The league office should also publicly instruct the referees that they are to call the game without giving special treatment to stars, and without considering the time or score. No more swallowing the whistles at the end of close games. There's not much Stern and his associates can do to change what happened in the past, but they can address the future.

    Stern can shout from the top of the Manhattan skyscraper that houses the league's headquarters that none of Donaghy's allegations are true, but the real problem for the NBA is that hardly anyone would be surprised if they were

  25. #100
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    No. Spurs won in the off years of the NBA when there weren't any good teams.

    Who was their best compe ion outside of '03? The ing Suns and Mavs. Enough said.
    The same pistons team that kicked your team's ass in 04 doesn't ring a bell, does it?

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