But Pippen did finish #10 in MVP voting that year, despite having Jordan winning the award.
But overall, Pop and Phil should be on top, and Phil does have a head-to-head advantage over Pop, whether it was because of talent available is another question.
So Phil Jackson is not a great coach because he is not a GM who assembles teams? What?that......Im not being biased at all. Phil has not done anything without being given top 5 in the league players. He was given the Lakers team with Shaq and Kobe and then given Gasol. What could he do with a team that he put together?? Hmmmmmm......tell me that? Pop has done wonders slightly rebuilding his team every year and being at the top. I truly doubt Phil could do that.
Tim was drafted... with the #1 overall pick in the draft. Yeah, of a diamond in the rough Pop found there.
I can count the number of coaches who won championships without great players on one finger. Larry Brown. 2004 Pistons. I guess he's the only decent coach the league has ever seen.
What, because it might take two or three ballots for Manu to get in?
Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich are easily the two best coaches in the league. PJ has beaten Pop in 4 out of 5 playoff matchups.
For years, the knock on PJ was that he never coached a rebuilding team; he just took over teams that were already going to the conference finals and put them over the top. Well, this Laker team marks that off the checklist, and they were already leading the West before the Gasol trade. The Gasol trade was the league's way of keeping things on track after the Bynum injury. This is PJ's team and only PJ's team.
PJ > Pop if only because Pop continually chokes against him.
I think PJ has Pop's number but I do think Pop is better out of a timeout, better at coaching defense and better at getting his players prepared from 1-12. Tex Winter is a big reason PJ has had the success he's had and I don't know if that's been taken into account. Look at how many coaches have come from Pop's system and how many PJ has groomed.
Gimme a break. Phil conveniently "retired" while the Lakers were rebuilding, and came back after they had drafted Bynum. He's got Fisher back, from their 2000-2002 years, and got handed Gasol in a gift basket.
Jackson has never had to WORK as a coach, you know, actually COACH. You can't even say he's just a shrewd businessman, knowing when to sign on to a team - he's married to the boss's daughter. He's basically just been in the right place at right time and ridden that luck to championships.
Pop and Sloan are tops.
People don't seem to get that Sloan had the misfortune of coaching his best team during MJ's dominant years. He took his team to the WCF multiple times, and his ability to transition an entirely new team with Boozer, Williams, etc into a championship contender is ASTOUNDING. Anyone who underestimates how good Sloan is underestimates what being a coach really MEANS.
If Phil didnt have one of the top 5 players in the league on his teams........his teams would be well below 500. I really dont even think he coaches these top players.....all he ever does is sit back at the game and just stare blankly with that dumbass look on his face.
People get the notion that more rings equals better coach/player. No that is entirely false.
Don't mean to nit pick, but PJ has beaten Pop 4 out of the 6 playoff matchups.
He retired for one (1) year. But you're right, Andrew Bynum was immediately a Top 5 bigman out of high school. He didn't need any coaching or development to become good. And Derek Fisher is a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer. Who wouldn't win with him?
Right, these Lakers were already a veteran-laden perennial 60-win team when Jackson came back from his lengthy one-year retirement. There was no coaching involved. If anything, these Lakers are getting kind of creaky in the knees because Jackson has had to depend so much on veterans to mask his inability to develop young players.
It was so disappointing when the Jazz repeatedly lost to Michael Jordan's teams in the Western Conference Finals all those years, wasn't it?
PJ wasn't the Laker coach in 1999.
Pop won in 2003, and... when else?
Kurt Rambis coached the Lakers in 1999.
My bad. there goes some ammo for pop.
Oh, and for those of you bashing Jackson--name another coach who would have even gotten the 06 and 07 Lakers to the playoffs.
Based on what evidence? Pop has always required a huge veteran core. His never had a roster like those Laker teams, unless you want to count 1997.
Yep, and they would not have dropped 3 in a row to Phoenix.
I guess you haven't realized but I am a biased homer when ti comes to the Spurs. I set reality all aside when it comes to talking about basketball and the spurs.
Denying PJ's record as a great coach is simply hating. There are no sound arguments that can be made; only sour grapes.
What about biased homerism? It's not sound, but I'll take that.
I swear I will change my mind.....if PJ takes a team with one great player and builds them to a championship caliber team.....ala POP. He has NEVER, EVER had to do that.
When did Pop do that?
Well, I think that's silly. For one thing, Pop didn't "build" any of his teams. He for all intents and purposes started off with a team of David Robinson and Tim Duncan. He then was able to continue to add new pieces to the team as needed.
It's easy to argue that PJ has already done more than Pop ever has or ever will do.
If the Lakers win it this year, will that satisfy your criteria?
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