How am I out of my element? Because I am purposing ideas that you do not like? I can hold my own with anyone, and even though you guys have your cute little clicks, does not mean I do not know any less than you. Not trying to get into a pissing contest, just trying to talk basketball. Being objective is not agreeing with everyone, it is saying something you believe is true, and then trying to back it up with insight.
He doesn't block but neither does Andrea. He rebounds better than Andrea.
Doesn't really matter when he can't even put up better defensive stats with the better athleticism and playing time.
That's what we got Bonner for.
Oberto doesn't. Andrea does. But it's gonna be in Toronto.
Oberto does not rebound hardly any better and Bonner can not take it to the rack or have the all around game the Barg does, are you serious, would Bonner have been a #1 pick, I think you are like most basketball fans, myopic
Oberto - 5.2 rbs in 20.1 mins per game
Elson - 3.2 rbs in 12.9 mins per game
Bargnani - 3.7 rbs in 23.9 mins per game
At least Oberto and Elson rebound at a better rate than Bustnani.
Last edited by anakha; 06-17-2008 at 10:05 PM. Reason: O.C. about spelling
Pot, kettle, black.
How am I myopic, you are calling a 22 year old a bust, I am saying he has room to grow
If someone purposes an idea on this site, you all act like elitist a-holes. As mentioned before, no one on here has any track record of being correct about off season moves so what give you the idea that you know so much?
I love the M-quote.
Bargnani leads Bonner in scoring by double.
Their rebounding is off by 1.
And Bonner is a better shooter.
And Bonner did this in half the time during the season.
Well you gotta ask Toronto about that.
I was close once -- I suppose many of us are right about what doesn't work.
I don't think the Spurs have anything the Raps want right now.
You use bad arguments to try and defend your take, and get all pissy when they're called out? Who's acting like the 'a-hole' now?
As I said, hardly, that is not a big difference in rebounding and Bonner can not shoot better than Andrea. I watch him play all the time. Just because Bargs is struggling does not mean Bonner is a better shooter. If that is the case, Bonner would be a very tradeable assetI love the M-quote
Bargnani leads Bonner in scoring by double.
Their rebounding is off by 1.
And Bonner is a better shooter.
And Bonner did this in half the time during the season.
Well you gotta ask Toronto about that.
What are my bad arguments? Please show me what they are.. I said he rebounds close to all of our bigs, but scores better than all of them. I said he is young and can get better a defense and rebounding. How are any of those off base and bad arguments?
Last thing we need is another soft euro.
It is called a debate, two opposing sides defending their position on an issue. I could understand if I was making outlandish claims, but mine were more than reasonable and I have my opinion that he could be a good compliment for our team.
You don't want to have a debate -- you want everyone to just agree with you.
Posters are providing a significant number of reasons for their view that pursuing Bargnani isn't a good idea. You, in turn, get your panties in a wad about the fact that anyone would deign to disagree with your view by posting their own reasons for disputing your idea.
I suppose if the Spurs thought they could play the three most of the time we could try him out. Still don't have anything the Raptors would want and he makes way too much money to try to put together a package.
Oberto - 5.2 rbs in 20.1 mins per game -> 12.4 rbs per 48 mins
Elson - 3.2 rbs in 12.9 mins per game -> 11.9 rbs per 48 mins
Bargnani - 3.7 rbs in 23.9 mins per game -> 7.4 rbs per 48 mins
Try again.
Last edited by anakha; 06-17-2008 at 10:17 PM. Reason: Calculation correction
Wha....?
Stats don't lie.
He's better at FG% and FT%. Bargnani is a better 3pt shooter by only 1%
Not really.
Bargnani sucks, he isn't a tradeable asset.
Just because Bonner shoots better, that doesn't make him a tradeable asset all of a sudden.
True enough. Elson and Oberto were slightly underrated as rebounders mainly because of their sporadic minutes.
Bargnani isn't good at all. Another reason I would want him on the perimeter.
Your worst argument is thinking we have anything outside of the big three that Toronto would want in exchange for Barfnani.
Chill dude, I was not framing an argument around your avatar. I just thought it'd be funny.
Seriously though, it's not bad to come up with scenarios you think would help the Spurs out. You just happen to have run into alot of resistance on this one....and for good reason.
Bargnani has at ude/focus issues, lacks a true position, makes boatloads of cash (even on a rookie contract) and would be tough to trade for. All in all, that makes for a bad mix.
If you've got another idea, throw it out there. This one...not so much.
To bad you can not just extrapolate stats like that. Take Manu for example, his per 48 minutes are incredible, but he loses effectiveness the more minutes he plays, so there is no way they are completely accurate and I would take 3-5 less rebounds for more scoring, you can teach rebounding, scoring is much much harder to teach TRY AGAIN...
Read my first post in the thread, I started out by saying I do not know what we have to offer them.
So now rebounding rate as a stat is overrated? Wasn't part of your argument that Bargnani rebounds at a rate close to Oberto and Elson?
Sheesh.
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