When is hip hop going to die?

[monosylab1k]

How about Buckshot & 9th Wonder:

U Wonderin

(feat. Big Pooh, Sean Price)

[Buckshot (Big Pooh)]
Yeah (Yeah)
They wonderin'
Ayo Pooh (Whaddup Buck?)
Check this out (Ha?)
I ain't got the answer dog (I got it either my )
And I'mma spread a little somethin'on 'em (Aight)
You know the game is crazy
I can't explain this sometimes
(Ay let them s know what's good, man)

[Buckshot]
From the news to the radio
Radio to sattelite
All I hear is s lookin
Actin' like, matters like
The most pathetic method to use
Especially old dudes
Who thinkin' they old news
You blink, and you old school
s know rules 'cause you can do what you want
No, fool
You should get ya together
Stay out the lobby
'Cause if you ain't selling records in the store, it's a hobby
And you probably disagree
it, this is me
I've been here since '93
You've been here since finding me
So, jot notes, take a lesson
This is 'Shot, Smif N Wessun and Sean P
The army posessin'automatic weapons
With the exception of my brain
I'll give 'em my grain, tryin' to break down the game
For those who can't staind (stand), they lame when they starin'
They lookin' at me wrong, when they hear this song what they hear is

[Chorus: Buckshot (Samples)]
The wonderin' what's goin' down with the underground
When I come around, smiles turn to frowns, cause
(They wonder what's on my mind)
When you see my face now
(They wonder)
When we come through deep
(They wonder)
When you see us in the street
(They wonder what's on my mind)

[Big Pooh]
It's me
Starin' face down the eyes of a barrell
s wonder is he thorough, take a look at the kid
This 3 years since some that I did became a classic
Now I got this wrapped up in plastic, bas s
Speakin' on my talent, they way I pen these scriptures
"Motha , that rap is riddic' (riddiculous)"
God forgive me now, so I repent
I'm on some you
'Cause this year what they got, I'mma get
This is
What I call here a tropical storm, man
Came in these lanes for the way they go on, an' (and)
Sleep on my record
You wonder what the is goin' on in my life
I'mma tell you in a second
First we got shafted on our first deal
Our first lawyer fell for the fake , and that's real
Now it's all over, yo it's a new chapter
Prepare for the rapture, I'm bakin' you son
I'm on tune with myself, this is lyrical fitness
Buck is here to witness, so hear these breaths
9th Wonder in control of the sets
J. League and Boot Camp get the props , in case you forget

[Buckshot (Samples)]
The wonderin' what's goin' down with the underground
When I come around, smiles turn to frowns, cause
(They wonder what's on my mind)

[Big Pooh]
You motha a's can't hold me
J. League, B-C-C
Beware of the L-B
And next up is my motha in'
Sean P!

[Sean Price]
Alot of motha a's say they can rhyme
Until they get in the booth
Find out they ain't tellin' the truth
Sean Price cash royalty checks
Cop work, flip that, cop some more, then forget that I rap
Yo, rap ain't real, my life is real
If you rap out my life, around and get killed
s always wanna ask if I'm Sean
I'm like "chill, mind ya business"
Give that man dap, and I'm gone
Yo, see me alone, and see me with rock
around, I see you with shots if I see you with cops
s ask why I clap at the kids
'Cause I saw him last night, it wasn't right how he yapped to the pigs
Yo, pop ya 'cris, I pop Hen' bottles
Pop E pills, , with top 10 models
I'm back for revenge, and I'm back with no ends
Big ruck when I rock, stop askin' a friend
Yo, I'm 32 but the gauge is .12
And the fifth for these funny s, Dave Chappelle
When Run-DMC was in' raisin'
I was on the run from these D's, raisin'
Kinda broke, couldn't raise the bell
Called my man, he broke 2 in'(?) and a gauge for bail
Beat the chase got my gauge right back as well
With rap, you can say such amazin' tales,

oh wow peewee found somebody less relevant than Snoop Dogg. good work.

[peewee's lovechild]

I just posted a Young Jeezy song featuring Kanye.

[peewee's lovechild]

oh wow peewee found somebody less relevant than Snoop Dogg. good work.

Top Ten song in May.

[rAm]

Oh I guess if I hate black people so much I should burn this Jimi Hendrix shirt I'm wearing and stop watching NBA and NFL and turn to something like golf or figure skating. Oh Tiger Woods is black too, scratch that. now I wish I didn't vote for Obama since I'm such a racist black person hater.

I'm hating on rap because I don't like bad music, not because I don't like black people. Eminem is white and I don't like most of his music either.

LOL @ this whole post. You should take off your Jimi Hendrix shirt you ing poser.

NBA + NFL may have a lot of black athletes but it is all white man approved. Tiger Woods is black, but he isn't "black" cmon now. Same thing w/ Eminem. You should vote however you want you racist bas .

Don't label it bad music because you don't like it. I ing hate country music, but i don't call it bad music, a lot of people out there like it.

[monosylab1k]

shoulda used Black Moon instead, might have made you look a little less ignorant peewee.

[monosylab1k]

Top Ten song in May.

Top Ten what? Not in my top ten.

[monosylab1k]

I just posted a Young Jeezy song featuring Kanye.

hey kanye! sweet!

[CuckingFunt]

Everyone can go back and forth posting lyrics until we all turn blue in the fingers, but it won't change the fact that there are examples of crap and brilliance in every single genre of music. Snoop Dogg is no more accurate a representation of the whole of rap/hip hop than Marilyn Manson is for the whole of rock, or Toby Keith is for the whole of country.

You want to say that you don't like specific artists, or specific songs, or specific trends associated with hip hop culture? Fine. Go nuts. You want to say that, even when it's good and/or responsible, it's just a style that you don't like? Have at it. But don't expect to unilaterally declare ALL rap/hip hop to be ty and irresponsible, unless you've actually heard every song written/performed by every artist, without giving up all rights to a logical argument. None of us are all-seeing, all-knowing beings (no matter how close some of us may get), and to suggest that you are completely negates your credibility in this discussion.




And, for the record, this post isn't directed at any one poster so much as it is directed at the thread in general.

[monosylab1k]

I got the money and the fame and that don't mean
I got the Jesus on a chain, man that don't mean
Cause when the Jesus pieces can't bring me peace
So I need just at least one of Russell's nieces
On...I let my nightmares go
I put on, everybody that I knew from the go
I know hoes that was frontin when they knew he was broke
They say damn, yeezy yeezy, you don't know us no more
You got that big fame homie, and you just changed homie
You can ask big homie, man the top so lonely

he's obviously talking about pain & regret for his life. Just like Johnny Cash. Exactly like Johnny Cash.

Young Jeezy = Johnny Cash.

[peewee's lovechild]

Top Ten what? Not in my top ten.

Billboard.

[Extra Stout]

Everyone can go back and forth posting lyrics until we all turn blue in the fingers, but it won't change the fact that there are examples of crap and brilliance in every single genre of music. Snoop Dogg is no more accurate a representation of the whole of rap/hip hop than Marilyn Manson is for the whole of rock, or Toby Keith is for the whole of country.

I don't know about you, but I was ranking Toby Keith right up there with Shostakovich.

[peewee's lovechild]

Half bag, top back, ain't nothin but a young thug.
HKs, 8 K's, i need to join a gun club
Big wheels, big straps, you know I like it super sized
Passenger's a redbone, her weeve look like some curly fries
Inside fish sticks, outside tartar sauce
Pocket full of celery, imagine what she tellin me
Blowin on asparagus, the realest I ever smoked
Ridin to that Trap or Die, the realest I ever wrote
They know I got that broccoli, so I keep that glock with me
Don't get caught without one, comin from where I'm from
Call me Jeezy Hamilton, flyin down Campbellton
So fresh, so clean, on my way to Charlene's

Yea, Johnny Cash.

[peewee's lovechild]

I don't know about you, but I was ranking Toby Keith right up there with Shostakovich.

[balli]

It's in the top ten list for ing idiots to quote to make weak, straw man arguments in order to fail at justifying their baseless, crazy, bigoted and ignorant castigations of an entire genre of music that they know next to nothing about.

That's more like it.

[monosylab1k]

Billboard.

So was he ahead of or behind Hannah Montana?

[peewee's lovechild]

So was he ahead of or behind Hannah Montana?

It was Billboard for the rap genre.

But, I'll check where it's at overall.

[CuckingFunt]

It's in the top ten list for ing idiots to quote to make weak, straw man arguments in order to fail at justifying their baseless, crazy, bigoted and ignorant castigations of an entire genre of music that they know next to nothing about.

That's more like it.

Hard to pull the straw man card when it's being heavily utilized on both sides of the argument(s).

Peewee breaking out lyrics that support his argument, but ignoring those that don't, is a bit of a straw man argument; but so is discounting the Billboard top ten list, because that does absolutely indicate popularity amongst the listening public.

[balli]

Except that and I've never heard of it and I don't really know, but I'd more than suspect it's a club song, which is almost an entirely different genre anyways. And this isn't really about whether the song is popular (I have no doubt it's popular) it's about whether you can claim it's a valid microcosm of rap as a whole. It is not, whether it's truly popular or not.

[CuckingFunt]

Except that and I've never heard of it and I don't really know, but I'd more than suspect it's a club song, which is almost an entirely different genre anyways. And this isn't really about whether the song is popular (I have no doubt it's popular) it's about whether you can claim it's a valid microcosm of rap as a whole. It is not, whether it's truly popular or not.

Oh, I agree with you. I was mostly commenting on how fractured this argument has become, largely through various attempts to sidestep legitimate points being made.

[balli]

Yeah. Sorry. I'm guilty too.

"Everytime I try to get out... they keep pulling me back in."

Or whatever it is.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Hate to break it to you, but that's Snoop's song.

They were just "featured" in the song.

Snoop Dogg is like 50 years old these days and has no "street cred", especially after making that "Sexual Eruption" song.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Thank you for pointing out a song from 1993. So relevant to our discussion.

A more famous rapper:

"Serial Killa"
(feat. Kurupt, Daz, RBX)

Six million ways to die, choose one

[Verse One: Kurupt, Daz]

It's time to escape, but I don't know where the i'm headed
Up or down, right or left, life or death
I see myself in a mist of smoke
Death becomes any that takes me for a joke
We hit a five dollar stick, now we puttin in work
Unaccountable amounts of dirt, death becomes all z
anybody killa, you know what the deal is
, you know what the real is

I see some mark brand z on the corner flaggin me down
Sayin, "Yo Daz, what's up with the Pound?
Is that snoop alright? Aiyyo what's up with the crew?
Is them z in jail, or are them z through?"
i said, if you ain't up on thangs
Snoop Dogg is the name, Dogg Pound's the game
It's like this they don't understand
It's an everyday thang, to gangbang
Make that twist, don't be a , let these z know
What's up with you I represent the Pound and Death Row
And can't no other mother er in L.A. or Long Beach
and Compton, and Watts, see D-O-G's
Now, you can't come and you can't run, and you can't
see long to the G of the gang
One gun is all that we need, to put you to rest
Pump pump, put 2 slugs dead in your chest
Now you dead then a mother er, creepin and sleepin
6 feet deep in, in with the Pound is

[RBX] Suicide, it's a suicide [4X]

[Verse Two: Snoop Doggy Dogg]

The cloud becomes black, and the sky becomes blue
Now you in the midst of the Dogg Pound crew
Ain't no clue, on why the we do what we do
Leave you in a state of paranoia, oooh
Don't make a move for your gat so soon cuz
I drops bombs like Platoon (ay )
Walk with me, hold my hand and let me lead you
I'll take you on a journey, and I promise I won't leave you
(I won't leave you) until you get the full comprehension
And when you do, that's when the mission
or survival, becomes your every thought
Keep your eyes open, cuz you don't wanna be caught
Half steppin with your weapon on safety
Now break yourself mother er 'fore you make me
take this 211 to another level
I come up with your ends, you go down with the devil
Now roam through the depths of
Where the rest your buster ass homeboys dwell
Well...

[RBX] Suicide, it's a suicide [4X]

Now tell me, what's my mother in name
Serial killa, serial killa, serial killa

(Wake up in the morning, to Lucky Charms cereal)

[Verse Three: RBX]

Deep, deep like the mind of Minolta, now picture this!
Let's picnic inside a morgue
Not pic-a-nic baskets, pic-a-nic caskets
And I got the machine, that cracks your in chest plates
open and release them guts
Then I release def cutsBrutal, jagged edged, totally ruffneck
Now everybody scream nuff respect to the X
Nuff respect given
Disrespect and you will not be livin
Word to momma, Emma, drama, dilemma

[RBX] Suicide, it's a suicide [4X]

Now tell me, what's my mother in name
Serial killa, serial killa, serial killa

(Wake up in the morning, to Lucky Charms cereal

[mardigan]

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[TheSanityAnnex]

uh oh.

A white guy, guitars, a positive message, and hip hop?!?!

Can it be?

[J.T.]

uh oh.

A white guy, guitars, a positive message, and hip hop?!?!

Can it be?

I think that one effectively changed my opinion. This thread has made me feel like I did in the 5th grade when I couldn't do long division, and I would work a problem, get to the end and feel really good about solving it, then get my test back and find out I was really, really wrong.

My birthday is on Tuesday, and I will be celebrating it with KFC bowls all day long.

(still think that MTV rap is , but so does pretty much everyone in this thread)