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    It's like the national media's first response to the Spurs winning is to change rules. Tim and David pack the paint? Change the illegal defense rules. David draws charges under the basket? Add the charge circle. Pop instructs his players to hand check on the perimeter? Eliminate handchecking.
    Are you sure Tim and David packing the paint was the only reason to add the illegal defense?

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    Are you sure Tim and David packing the paint was the only reason to add the illegal defense?
    No it was not. The main reason for the change was to give teams a chance to deal with a dominant Shaquille Oneal.

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    No it was not. The main reason for the change was to give teams a chance to deal with a dominant Shaquille Oneal.
    It probably helps that David Stern has a hard on for the Lakers. He tries to do as much as possible to get them to win. Even if it means rigging the WCF against the Kings in '02. The NBA will be looked at like the WWE unless they get rid of Stern, seperate the refs from the NBA, get rid of super star calls and do their best to get some credibility back.

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    It probably helps that David Stern has a hard on for the Lakers. He tries to do as much as possible to get them to win. Even if it means rigging the WCF against the Kings in '02. The NBA will be looked at like the WWE unless they get rid of Stern, seperate the refs from the NBA, get rid of super star calls and do their best to get some credibility back.
    Superstar calls have been around long before Stern and it will continue to be that way but I agree, it would probably be best if Stern is removed.

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    Superstar calls have been around long before Stern and it will continue to be that way but I agree, it would probably be best if Stern is removed.
    Probably one of, if not the best post I've seen from you

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    Seeing all those rules changes one after another is incredible. Pretty obvious that the league is involved with tilting the playing field.

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    No it was not. The main reason for the change was to give teams a chance to deal with a dominant Shaquille Oneal.

    Good for Oakley, one of the few to call SHADING what it is...cheating! "Fine that man a $100,000 for speaking the truth", David Stern.

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    Oakley is speaking out because he is no longer under contract with the league. We need more players to speak up for the truth.

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    oakley was never one to conform and not that he's not contractually bound to the nba, he freely speaks his mind. a lot of his observations have credence. the purity of the game is gone.

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    It probably helps that David Stern has a hard on for the Lakers. He tries to do as much as possible to get them to win. Even if it means rigging the WCF against the Kings in '02. The NBA will be looked at like the WWE unless they get rid of Stern, seperate the refs from the NBA, get rid of super star calls and do their best to get some credibility back.
    That's about the only way to fix the problem.

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    Yeah, unfortunately it's true-- unspoken rules like star treatment and not calling fouls in the last seconds of a game just open up the floodgates for conspiracy theorists. I really think there should be limited instant replay calls available to coaches, say 2 per half. It'll never be perfect-- refs are human afterall-- but that would go a ways toward helping.
    I love watching D Wade play, but every time he makes that 3 step spin move and scores i can't help but think that it's travelling... no question about it.
    I agree with you 100% about having limited instant replays. The reason the league gives for not having it is it will slow the game down. But now with all this "games being fixed talk" it makes since for the league to not have it because if they are fixing the games challenging a call will throw a monkey wrench in there plans.

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    replays would slow the game down.

    Add another ref on court, and then place 6 refs in the stands, 1 under each basket and 1 at each 1/4 court. If there was dispute between the 4 on court refs, they could consult aks the nearest stands refs to chime in.

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    replays would slow the game down.

    Add another ref on court, and then place 6 refs in the stands, 1 under each basket and 1 at each 1/4 court. If there was dispute between the 4 on court refs, they could consult aks the nearest stands refs to chime in.
    Sure, then wear white shorts and rename the league as ATP Tour


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    who wrote this?

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    Thank you Mr. Duncan. May I have another? RussN's Avatar
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    This is why I have given up on the NBA, I'm 99% sure I will not be watching much if any NBA games next season. It was pretty blatant this season, and I'm just done supporting it.

    I will not buy any merchandise, attend any games, or watch any on my home television. If I am at a bar, or someone else's house and it is on, then I will have no choice but to watch it. But as a consumer, I can voice my opinion by not supporting this product called the NBA.

    I don't know how long I will boycott this, but until MAJOR changes are done, the NBA has lost a customer. I know its insignificant, but its what I believe in, so thats what I'm going to do.
    I have had some sort of season ticket package for the Spurs for a while now...next year I have a 10 game package, 2 seats at $120 a seat, or $2400 total. I am SERIOUSLY thinking about calling my spurs ticket office guy and telling him that I want my money for next year back and be done with it.

    Even though I have had to take off days from work to go to the select a seat events and work my way down to the court since the SBC Center opened. Not sure if it is worth it anymore...and I am the biggest Spurs fan I know. This really SUCKS!

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    I have had some sort of season ticket package for the Spurs for a while now...next year I have a 10 game package, 2 seats at $120 a seat, or $2400 total. I am SERIOUSLY thinking about calling my spurs ticket office guy and telling him that I want my money for next year back and be done with it.

    Even though I have had to take off days from work to go to the select a seat events and work my way down to the court since the SBC Center opened. Not sure if it is worth it anymore...and I am the biggest Spurs fan I know. This really SUCKS!
    A lot of people are echoing your sentiments.

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    A lot of people are echoing your sentiments.
    The problem is that the die hard fans will always support their teams and Stern knows it. He's more concerned about getting people (money) from other countries rather than keeping fans in the US. Kinda sucks that s bag like him is ruining such a top notch sport. Hopefully someone else will step in and fix all of Sterns messes (ie. cheating refs).

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    Any Stern fans here? I've heard some proclaim that he has been a good commissioner.

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    The problem is that the die hard fans will always support their teams and Stern knows it. He's more concerned about getting people (money) from other countries rather than keeping fans in the US. Kinda sucks that s bag like him is ruining such a top notch sport. Hopefully someone else will step in and fix all of Sterns messes (ie. cheating refs).

    The sad thing is that he doesn't even realize it, and the consequences for him will be devastating, especially since he'll be surprised by the reality of the situation that he got himself into once he wakes up.

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    That rule changing aspect has been pretty obvious over the years. Whenever the Spurs have won, major sweeping changes to the rulebooks have taken place.

    Now watch how there will be no major rule changes this year.
    Didn't they change the catch and shoot rules after DFish killed the spurs?



    Just because your paranoid doesn't mean there not out to get you, huh?

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    Didn't they change the catch and shoot rules after DFish killed the spurs?



    Just because your paranoid doesn't mean there not out to get you, huh?
    If someone has to explain to you it's not possible to get a shot off in .4 in that manner then you are already lost. Catch, turn, release all in .4? Hmm, maybe you may want to re-evaluate that statement. Nice shot though nonetheless. In my opinion, time didn't permit clearance.

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    If someone has to explain to you it's not possible to get a shot off in .4 in that manner then you are already lost. Catch, turn, release all in .4? Hmm, maybe you may want to re-evaluate that statement. Nice shot though nonetheless. In my opinion, time didn't permit clearance.

    Yeah, it's definately impossible to get a good shot off in that amount of time. Looking back at the replay, it's obvious that the clock was started late.

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    Are you sure Tim and David packing the paint was the only reason to add the illegal defense?
    I never said it was the only reason. But it's purpose was to help put an end to the low scoring era ... which coincidentally the defensive-minded Spurs were faring well in.

    No it was not. The main reason for the change was to give teams a chance to deal with a dominant Shaquille Oneal.
    WTF? How would adding defensive three second help teams guard Shaq?

    Laker fans

    Any Stern fans here? I've heard some proclaim that he has been a good commissioner.
    Overall, I think he's probably one of the top three commissioners of all-time in any sport. When he took over, the NBA Finals were on tape delay. He's not perfect but he has been very good.

    Didn't they change the catch and shoot rules after DFish killed the spurs?
    No. They changed it before that shot ... yet they counted the shot anyways. Nice try.

    Just because your paranoid doesn't mean there not out to get you, huh?
    Just because you don't use a double negative doesn't mean I can't not understand you.

    Anyways, like I said, the NBA isn't rigged. Seriously, there isn't a sport with a more even playing field than the NBA. When a team from the middle of South Texas can be in the middle of the field in payroll on a yearly basis, that in itself is a miracle and is something unique to the NBA. If the NBA didn't bend over backwards to give small market teams a shot, the Spurs not only wouldn't exist, they would have been one of the worst teams in NBA history. So before those who want to give up on the NBA throw away their basketball, they should realize there is a lot to be thankful for when it comes to the NBA. If the NBA were run like baseball, for example, the Spurs would have absolutely no chance to ever make the playoffs.

    And the rule changes aren't specifically to dethrone the Spurs. The rule committee comes up with the changes to "better" the game and make it more appealing. The Spurs haven't really played appealing basketball since they started being a championship contender, so it's natural that some of the rules would affect how they have to play.

    But the bottomline is the Spurs have won four championships with the cards they've been dealt. On the whole, the NBA has helped the Spurs stay compe ive a thousand times more than the NBA has hurt the Spurs.

    Dry up the tears and try again in '09.

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    To be fair to the NBA, it's usually the national media that starts whining first about rule changes and then the NBA follows through. I personally do not think the NBA is rigged or specifically targets the Spurs and other small market teams in attempt to make them lose.

    I think that the NBA has been foolish at times and has caved in to pressure from the national media, but that could be said for any league. There's just no way the NBA can afford to even think about rigging games because if they were caught, the league would be over. I'm confident the playing field is about as level as possible. Obviously big market teams will always have a little bit of an advantage because that's true in every sport. Overall though, the NBA is an extremely fair league and it has a collective bargaining agreement that gives any team in the league a legit chance of winning a championship.

    they don't rig, they influence.

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