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It's the "in" thing to bag on Dirk in fan circles, including among some Mavs fans.
and how many times has Dirk kicked Gasols Ass? lol
Last edited by MavDynasty; 07-01-2008 at 01:11 PM.
It's the "in" thing to bag on Dirk in fan circles, including among some Mavs fans.
garbage
fixedI challenge you to name 10 players better than him. here is my list
1.Paul Pierce
2.Paul Pierce
3.Paul Pierce
4.Paul Pierce
5.Paul Pierce
6.Paul Pierce
7.Paul Pierce
8.Paul Pierce
9.Paul Pierce
10.Paul Pierce (with me sucking his balls)
you and mavs>spurs must be in a race to see who can pull more bull out their ass and right now its a close oneHe's the franchise player, but just like when Garnett was in Minnesota, it's never his fault.
In no particular order, players playing better than him right now:
- Lebron
- Kobe
- Duncan
- Pierce
- Paul
- West
- Nash
- Amare
- D Howard
- Sheed
Other players we can argue about:
- Yao
- Iverson
- TMac
- Arenas
- Garnett
- Ray Allen
- Gasol
- Odom
Dirk definitely has the talent to be better than a good amount of those guys. We've seen it a couple of years ago. We'll see with Carslile wether he can regain his best form, or if he's just standing pat. I like Carslile, and I think the Mavs needed some fresh air in the bench. But it's going to be up to Dirk to regain the lost ground.
Players better than Dirk:
Kobe
Duncan
Lebron
Cp3
Pierce(questionable)
Healthy Wade(questionable)
Dwilliams(questionable)
Maybe a couple others could be considered, but there aren't even 5 players hands down better than dirk, much less 10. Gtfo with that
IMO the only players RIGHT NOW (not all time, so spurs fans cut the ) that are hands down better than Dirk is Kobe and Lebron.
I personally put Duncan ahead of Dirk, but right now, I can't say hes really an obvious choice anymore, as its very obvious he is starting to break down and all those years and playoff games have been taking its toll on him. CP3 is arguable, but i need to see him do it again in the playoffs. all other players can themselves.
off, .
k, have fun
thanks
this seriously might be the single dumbest post in SpursTalk history.He's the franchise player, but just like when Garnett was in Minnesota, it's never his fault.
In no particular order, players playing better than him right now:
- Lebron
- Kobe
- Duncan
- Pierce
- Paul
- West
- Nash
- Amare
- D Howard
- Sheed
Other players we can argue about:
- Yao
- Iverson
- TMac
- Arenas
- Garnett
- Ray Allen
- Gasol
- Odom
Dirk definitely has the talent to be better than a good amount of those guys. We've seen it a couple of years ago. We'll see with Carslile wether he can regain his best form, or if he's just standing pat. I like Carslile, and I think the Mavs needed some fresh air in the bench. But it's going to be up to Dirk to regain the lost ground.
no wait, nsrammstein wins.
He's the franchise player, but just like when Garnett was in Minnesota, it's never his fault.
In no particular order, players playing better than him right now:
- Lebron
- Kobe
- Duncan
- Pierce
- Paul
- West
- Nash
- Amare
- D Howard
- Sheed
Other players we can argue about:
- Yao
- Iverson
- TMac
- Arenas
- Garnett
- Ray Allen
- Gasol
- Odom
Dirk definitely has the talent to be better than a good amount of those guys. We've seen it a couple of years ago. We'll see with Carslile wether he can regain his best form, or if he's just standing pat. I like Carslile, and I think the Mavs needed some fresh air in the bench. But it's going to be up to Dirk to regain the lost ground.
So stupid it's not even funny. This opinion isn't based on actually watching basketball, so what the caused you to conclude this?
Nash, West, Sheed absolutely NOT. Did you see Sheed in the ECF? Sheed isn't even a top 20 player.
Howard, Amare, Pierce are up for debate. I would say they play at similar levels than Dirk.
Paul, Bryant, Duncan, and Lebron are the only ones I wouldn't dispute. I do believe Duncan is out of his prime and perhaps his individual productivity may no longer be as good as Dirk's, but his back to the basket style and dual end presence is still way more influential than Dirk's unconventional game.
So basically what I'm saying is Dirk is a top 5-7 player.
i dunno.
DSF and Nashfan had some pretty bad ones. DannyB too. oh yea...
dannyb
your team sucks
Sheed is 20x a better defender than Dirk is. He also has a post up game. He was the missing piece in the '04 pistons that put them over the top. Larry Brown said it plenty of times. I will give you that he is much more inconsistent than Dirk.
West tinkered with Dirk these playoffs. To the point he outscored him in the last two games of the series. He got in Dirk's face, and backed it up by sending him fishing. West is up and coming, but he already showed he has the balls to play and beat the best of them.
Nash not only can hit the J as consistently as Dirk can, but he can also dish assists to everyone else on the team. He can't guard anybody, but neither can Dirk (ok, I'll give you Dirk has an edge there)
Duncan has never been out of the playoffs in the first round. And for being out of his prime, making it all the way to the WCF is no minor accomplishment. Duncan is also a leader. He has taken completely different rosters all the way to a championship. Dirk can only wet his pants thinking about something like that.
As I said numerous times already, if you are looking at Dirk's complete career, then I would certainly say he cracks that top 10 list (even though he keeps sliding down). But the way he's playing RIGHT NOW, he's not among the top 10 players in the league.
West isn't even the best player on his own team. He feeds massively off the wide open shots that CP3 gets for him
Duncan has also always had a better team around him than Dirk.
um no
Is this guy serious?
Sheed is a role player, incapable of leading a team by himself. He can't take over games the way Dirk can, or be the #1 option on a contender. And he'd rather shoot fadeaways and 3's than post up. His D is better, but Dirk>Sheed in every other aspect of basketball.
Please.
What Dirk 'the leader' are you talking about? That guy shrinks when the pressure is on. One of the reasons for bringing Kidd was to take over the leadership role, because Dirk didn't fit the bill.
And what meaningful games has Dirk taken over? Are you gonna go back 2 years for an example? That's not today's Dirk. He can't take over at will. He can't even extend a series to 7 games. If he could, you wouldn't have had 2 quick exits in the first round the last two seasons.
He's top 10. I know people far more reputable and with closer ties to the NBA and the players that can attribute to that. Just because some no-name on a messageboard thinks he isn't doesn't make it so. Top 10, easily.
Dirk is wicked good but give me Paul Peezy any day.
You mean the guy all of Boston was ting on for years before Ray Allen and Garnett came to town? THAT Paul Pierce?
With respect to aging PGs and the Nash/Kidd comparison:
Charles(Baltimore, Maryland): Will the Suns finally get a backup point guard? Who will it be? If the Suns struggle this year, you think it is possible that Nash is moved at the trade deadline or offseason? who would want him and what would the Suns get for him?
Luck_The_Fakers_John Hollinger: The Suns' emphasis on a backup point guard seems terribly misplaced to me. It's the cheapest position to fill and in the postseason the guy will play eight minutes a game at most.
This is my problem with Hollinger - he seems to miss the forest for the trees. Obviously, a backup point will only play limited minutes in the POs, but the point is to save your best (aging) player for the playoffs. And what about when a guy like Tyronne Lue can play some better defense if the matchup presents itself? Not like Lue is a great player, but he can be a good role player. Even Anthony Johnson would be worth a look....
Oh yeah and there weren't Mavs fans demanding a trade for KG after Dirk pussed out against the Warriors? stick.
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