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Gen. Clark is what Hackworth would call a "perfumed General". He got fired, by all people, Bill Clinton. Enough said.
If you want to attack McCain, why not just go after his being a global warming nutjob? Or, his not wanting to drill anywhere?
Oh...nevermind.
Gen. Clark is what Hackworth would call a "perfumed General". He got fired, by all people, Bill Clinton. Enough said.
No dan is doing what we all know about. The kid who sticks his hand up, shakes it violently, and says, look at me, look at me, I know the answer, I know the answer. He just wants attention. Of course most of know he doesn't know the answer, he just knows about google, news and some left wing blogs he frequents.
Say what?
WikipediaClark was then given command of A Company, 1st Battalion, 16th Infantry of the 1st Infantry Division in January 1970. In February, only one month into his command, he was shot four times by a Viet Cong soldier with an AK-47. The wounded Clark shouted orders to his men, who counterattacked and defeated the Viet Cong force. Clark had injuries to his right shoulder, right hand, right hip, and right leg, and was sent to Valley Forge Army Hospital in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania to recuperate. He was awarded the Silver Star for his actions during the encounter.
Yeah, that's a real perfumed General
First all all - don't spout bull off at me AHF. You should know better. You don't know if Clark was sent by the Obama camp to do what he did or if he said it on his own. This is not the first time he's said this. He said the same thing 2 weeks ago on the Sunday cable news shows.
Secondly, he didn't say anything bad about McCain. He just said being a POW doesn't mean you are in charge. Is he wrong? He pointed out that McCain hadn't served in a certain capacity but he NEVER said anything badly about McCain's service.
CONTEXT
Yeah, because what Kerry did after his service was really something to be proud of.
Yeah because what Bush did during vietnam is something to be proud of.
You see, I can throw out Red Herrings too!
Those people aren't going to vote for Obama anyway so I'm pretty sure thats not who was being targeted by Clark's message. Just because what he said doesn't have the same target demographic as the Swiftboat ads did doesn't mean that they don't have their own demographic and won't be successful.
When Clark came out and first said these things a few weeks back I discussed them with some other people.
McCain is campaigning on experience - it is fair to point out that he has not had the type of executive experience that he's saying is his strength. Obama isn't exactly strong in this catagory either, but he's not campaigning on it. I don't believe democrats hurt themselves very much by pointing this out because its not Obama's platform and the Republicans are going to say a lot of this anyway but you should not just concede the front to McCain because he was a POW.
Nothing of what Clark has said has been cheap or a low blow but of course McCain's campaign is going to try to spin it that way. Thats not the important thing and that doesn't mean what was said isn't going to be effective.
That's why I think it's dumb. All anyone has to do is take Clark's name from the quote and you have a perceived Democratic attack on the military.Nothing of what Clark has said has been cheap or a low blow but of course McCain's campaign is going to try to spin it that way.
I agree.
It was a valid point. Just poorly made.
Hackworth changed his mind about Clark in 04.
Reporting for Duty: Wesley Clark By David H. Hackworth
With Wesley Clark joining the Democratic presidential candidates, there are enough eager bodies pointed toward the White House to make up a rifle squad. This bunch of wannabes could make things increasingly hot for Dubya – as long as they don’t blow each other away with friendly fire.
Since Clark tossed his steel pot into the inferno, I've been constantly asked, “Hack, what do you think of the general?”
For the record, I never served with Clark. But after spending three hours interviewing the man for Maxim’s November issue, I’m impressed. He is insightful, he has his act together, he understands what makes national security tick – and he thinks on his feet somewhere around Mach 3. No big surprise, since he graduated first in his class from West Point, which puts him in the super-smart set with Robert E. Lee, Douglas MacArthur and Maxwell Taylor.
...Hey, I am one of those: I took a swing at Clark during the Kosovo campaign when I thought he screwed up the operation, and I called him a “Perfumed Prince.” Only years later did I discover from his book and other research that I was wrong – the blame should have been worn by British timidity and William Cohen, U.S. SecDef at the time.
McCain's camp should just blow it off. This is coming from Wesley Clark, so I doubt it's getting much traction. Also, when someone insults (or appears to insult) an American POW, they are reallly skating on thin ice. It was a smart move by Obama to quickly distance himself from this. Obama is very adept at distancing himself from things that your average American would find distasteful.
"This is coming from Wesley Clark"
There's nothing "coming from Wesley Clark" except Straight Talk about how McStupid's military service, one of the main planks in McSenile's sales pitch, is not a qualification for the Presidency.
WC has not insulted, nor appeared to insult, McFlop. The insult and outrage were totally fabricated by McKeating's people.
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I'm just saying that Clark doesn't have a lot of political clout, as evidenced by his recent presidential bids and his support of winners like Kerry and Shillary. I'd be willing to bet that Obama doesn't really want any of Wesley's "help".
tell that to the swift boaters.
You know thats not how politics works.
kerry got a little boo boo from his own doing. mccain was a pow for years... not even close.
just one question
Is anything of what Clark said untrue?
Don't bite my head off people, I'm honestly asking here
It was a bull point.
+1 in the respect dept. for Obama for denouncing such speech.
It's not out of the realm of possibility that that damn Dem might get my vote.
Hmmm... Vietnam POWs expected to respond to Wesley Clark. Stay tuned...
possessed miss the point
It was a bull point.
+1 in the respect dept. for Obama for denouncing such speech.
It's not out of the realm of possibility that that damn Dem might get my vote.
Yeah mad respect for doing what was the only political option. I choose to respect Obama for wiping his ass and breathing too.
True?
Honestly, that's not much of a relevant part of this. Clark was trying to score a cheap shot on this one - and it's one that he's going to get no points for now that people have seen it. You don't rag on a former POW for being a former POW...that's outside the lines - regardless of what party the guy belongs to.
Clark has his own issues. He really wasn't that good of an officer. Flag rank in the US military is a political appointment - generals are nominated and confirmed. Clark was a product of the time in which he served, not a product of his "stellar" ability as a commander. The guy was not a respected officer in the Army during that era (just speaking as a former Army officer who served in that era). Clark, Shinsheki and company - the senior flags at the time - really wimped down the Army (hey, black berets for everyone!).
This shouldn't reflect on Obama...as was said earlier, he's probably privately telling Clark to shut his mouth.
McPander's team is saying McSenile isn't subject to criticism because war heros are untouchable, sacred, and qualified to head the Exec, but they have no reticence in trashing Clark who is an untouchable, sacred war hero AND had years of General-rank EXECUTIVE military experience in war time.
Clark hit McFlop right in the nuts (aka politics), right on target, and his people are screaming in pain trying to control the damage.
Old Senile Sick 95% McFlopPanderKeating completely blew his major opportunity on NatSec by voting to invade Iraq. That worked out great. Here's Obama in 2002 on Iraq:
"Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.
I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.
I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda."
Who is more qualified, has better judgement on National Security?
"You don't rag on a former POW for being a former POW"
Did you, Gopher, even watch the video? You ers can't read, and you can't even watch video with any comprehension.
Why do you have to drop to that level, Boutons?
I watched the video...and I can communicate without resorting to namecalling and profanity. Can you do the same? If not, there's no point in discussing the issues with you.
I won't question your patriotism, but I will question your education and intelligence when you resort to this kind of response.
"I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlFyifcTnlk
It's a weak point...especially when Clark is now supporting a candidate with no military experience and limited experience in management.
"I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president."
That's a statement of fact. And from the context, Clark could be saying that even if Obama had been in that plane, it wouldn't qualify Obama, either.
Obama's military experience has nothing to do with anything in this issue. It's Mc95% who is running on POW record.
But just for tat:
Clark supports a non-military candidate so he better shut up about McSenile, but McPander supports dubya and all his disasters, and dubya is a VN war evader, NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE. Should McSenile also shutup about dubya?
What exactly has McSenile "managed" as an executive? On that point alone, even General Clark's military executive experience vastly outweighs McPander's undefined executive experience.
McCain as ready to be Exec because he was shot down is purest bogus bull . War Hero General Clark draws major blood.
McPander's "elect me I'm a war hero" is complete fraud.
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