What JKidd said about Avery lol...

[Shank]

Now let's put David West numbers right next to it:

Dirk West
-------------------------
31/10 23/8/3/4
27/5/5 27/4/5
32/19/6 14/9/3
22/13 24/9/2/1
22/13/6 25/7/4/3

That's West, the 'nobody'. So yeah, he DID take it up the ass.

21 Blessings to a "T".

[ElNono]

21 Blessings to a "T".

You can call me any names... Just goes to show how weak your arguments are.
I'm still waiting to hear how is Dirk this great leader... What does he do so well outside his jumper... How is Mr reigning NBA MVP matched and sent fishing by a dude that according to most Mavs fans here is not even a League's top 10?
Where the heck was this vagina when Golden State was making history by ridiculing his team and sending him packing to Australia, or whatever the he went to...

But I understand. It's easier to call me names than face reality.

[Shank]

You post this list:

In no particular order, players playing better than him right now:
- Lebron
- Kobe
- Duncan
- Pierce
- Paul
- West
- Nash
- Amare
- D Howard
- Sheed

Other players we can argue about:
- Yao
- Iverson
- TMac
- Arenas
- Garnett
- Ray Allen
- Gasol
- Odom

and then have the balls to say that someone else's argument is weak? You talk about Dirk supposedly pussing out in the NO series, we come back with numbers to dispute otherwise and you say that someone else's argument is weak? You talk about players being "posterized" as though that's some measure of their career then say that someone else's argument is weak? You throw out the bull blanket statement that Dirk is a "soft choker" without giving further details as to why you would believe something so asinine and then say that someone else's argument is weak?

Son, namecalling or not, you've already been slapped 50 different ways in this thread. You bring up the same tired exhibits and we're forced to show you the light in a number of different ways, but you still don't get it. Instead, you'd rather focus on the loss to the Heat and the Warriors as though we haven't heard every possible take on what happened in those series.

I noticed you managed to leave Manu off your top 20 list (or whatever the you want to call it). Why is that? I know that I, even as a fan of the Mavericks, can make an argument that Manu is better than a number of players on that list and deserves to be mentioned. But you, for some reason, left him off. Very curious.

[ElNono]

You post this list:

In no particular order, players playing better than him right now:
- Lebron
- Kobe
- Duncan
- Pierce
- Paul
- West
- Nash
- Amare
- D Howard
- Sheed

Other players we can argue about:
- Yao
- Iverson
- TMac
- Arenas
- Garnett
- Ray Allen
- Gasol
- Odom

and then have the balls to say that someone else's argument is weak?

The 3 or 4 names anybody disputed from the Top 10 list, I already explained why they're there, and I'm still waiting for a counter argument...
So far it's been calling me names but not putting forth the arguments...

You talk about Dirk supposedly pussing out in the NO series, we come back with numbers to dispute otherwise and you say that someone else's argument is weak?

And I countered with more numbers showing how he was matched by a guy that apparently is not even a Top 10 player in the League by your own admission. After getting slapped you would think he wanted to teach this guy a lesson... I guess not.

You talk about players being "posterized" as though that's some measure of their career then say that someone else's argument is weak?

Oh it's not the fact that he got posterized by a bad player. What was hilarious back then was fans like you calling Matt Barnes a stud after it.

You throw out the bull blanket statement that Dirk is a "soft choker" without giving further details as to why you would believe something so asinine and then say that someone else's argument is weak?

Do you really need me to repeat what you've been hearing since the 2006 Finals? The only person that will remove those labels from him is himself. Getting out of the first round would help a lot with that...

Son, namecalling or not, you've already been slapped 50 different ways in this thread. You bring up the same tired exhibits and we're forced to show you the light in a number of different ways, but you still don't get it. Instead, you'd rather focus on the loss to the Heat and the Warriors as though we haven't heard every possible take on what happened in those series.

Actually I also brought up the NO series. I countered pretty much every of your points throughout the thread, and pretty much they've gone unquestioned.
Feel free to start answering some of the questions I posted earlier in this thread...

I noticed you managed to leave Manu off your top 20 list (or whatever the you want to call it). Why is that? I know that I, even as a fan of the Mavericks, can make an argument that Manu is better than a number of players on that list and deserves to be mentioned. But you, for some reason, left him off. Very curious.

I mentioned plenty of times already that the list is based on how they're playing right now, not career overall. While Manu had a great regular season, he didn't have a great playoffs. So he's obviously not in the list...

[z0sa]

not even close. you're a ing moron if you believe that.

Believe with all my heart, but of course anyone who has a different opinion than you is a ing moron.

I hate to play your stupid games, but I honestly inquire: you think Dirk could have anchored the middle against Boston any better than Pau? Perhaps guarded KG? I laugh at the very thought.

So you must at least agree the Lakers don't benefit, very minimum.

[Ghazi]

Dirk would take more shots than Pau, score more points than Pau, and probably his presence alone would escalate Kobe's performance. Dirk wouldn't be able to guard KG (as if KG was posting up that much in the series? he shot 41%), but KG would be incapable of guarding Dirk as well (look up dem stats).

I love how one poster refers to Dirk as a jump shooter only, even though he gets to the line 7-8 times per game and averages around 8-9 rebounds a year. How can a jump shooter get to the line that much and rebound that much? You also disregard his above average passing skills.

The Dirk hate is some sort of xenophobia or jealousy or something.

[Shank]

The 3 or 4 names anybody disputed from the Top 10 list, I already explained why they're there, and I'm still waiting for a counter argument...
So far it's been calling me names but not putting forth the arguments...


And I countered with more numbers showing how he was matched by a guy that apparently is not even a Top 10 player in the League by your own admission. After getting slapped you would think he wanted to teach this guy a lesson... I guess not.


Oh it's not the fact that he got posterized by a bad player. What was hilarious back then was fans like you calling Matt Barnes a stud after it.



Do you really need me to repeat what you've been hearing since the 2006 Finals? The only person that will remove those labels from him is himself. Getting out of the first round would help a lot with that...


Actually I also brought up the NO series. I countered pretty much every of your points throughout the thread, and pretty much they've gone unquestioned.
Feel free to start answering some of the questions I posted earlier in this thread...



I mentioned plenty of times already that the list is based on how they're playing right now, not career overall. While Manu had a great regular season, he didn't have a great playoffs. So he's obviously not in the list...

This is awesome! You take the time to do that little bull messageboard thing where you attempt to break down every one of my bulletpoints. Only thing is - all of your arguments are so weak and flawed that you didn't even accomplish anything. I don't think I've seen anything like it. I applaud you, sir.

• And I countered with more numbers showing how he was matched by a guy that apparently is not even a Top 10 player in the League by your own admission. After getting slapped you would think he wanted to teach this guy a lesson... I guess not.

"Teach this guy a lesson" - and this means what? Scoring 50 a game? 60? Dirk's numbers were plenty. Wasn't it you that suggested earlier that Dirk retaliate and fight West on the court? I believe it was. Tell us, what happens if Dirk does that? Does he build more cred in your eyes? What happens to the team?

Your list is flawed because you want it to be Top 10 players in the league based on how "they're playing right now". What sense does that make? You list Nash, Rasheed and Arenas among others. Just how well is Arenas playing right now? Yao?

• Oh it's not the fact that he got posterized by a bad player. What was hilarious back then was fans like you calling Matt Barnes a stud after it.

Show me where I said that and I'll give you credit for that.

• Do you really need me to repeat what you've been hearing since the 2006 Finals? The only person that will remove those labels from him is himself. Getting out of the first round would help a lot with that...

So, if he gets out of the 1st round he sheds all those labels? Let's ignore the fact that Dirk was better this season than even in his MVP year. That he was working under a lame duck coach and had personnel around him that would rather party and smoke weed than try to win a playoff series. These aren't excuses for him because he was good enough to put all that aside and still raise his game. This is a testament to how hard he works and the passion he has. Just because you don't see him in damned Gatorade or Nike commercial doesn't mean he doesn't bust his ass and love the game as much as the others. In more ways, he works harder.

And again, back to your list. A number of the guys supposedly playing better than him "right now" have failed to make it out of the 1st round themselves. One guy in particular, Tracy McGrady, has never made it. But you knew that already. If Dirk has those labels because he can't get his team out of the 1st round, then what's said about McGrady, Yao? And can we assume that Gasol is no longer a "soft choker" because of his postseason accomplishments this year?

• I mentioned plenty of times already that the list is based on how they're playing right now, not career overall. While Manu had a great regular season, he didn't have a great playoffs. So he's obviously not in the list...

Technically, no one is playing right now, but we'll ignore that for your sake. When anyone makes a list of Top 10 players in the league, must they also make the caveat that it's how "they're playing right now"? Maybe you should stick to weekly individual player power rankings as that seems to be your calling. You come up with this bull list and then back away, saying it's based on playoff performances. And then you proceed to list some of the guys I've already brought up - Nash, Gasol, Arenas, Yao. So which is it, man?

You're all over the place, scrambling to save face. Admit you're full of and you don't know what you're talking about and we'll be done with it.

[z0sa]

Dirk would take more shots than Pau, score more points than Pau, and probably his presence alone would escalate Kobe's performance. Dirk wouldn't be able to guard KG (as if KG was posting up that much in the series? he shot 41%), but KG would be incapable of guarding Dirk as well (look up dem stats).

Eh, more emphasis on 'anchoring the middle.' Because that's what the Lakers needed most: defense in the middle. You do remember Ray Allen blowing by Sasha Vujacic for an easy layup in Game 4, right? Dirk is the opposite of interior defense.

I love how you say his presence alone would escalate Kobe, when you can't honestly prove in any way, shape, or form that his performance would escalate Kobe's any higher than Pau already has done so. While we're in the realm of fantasy, I'll just say Pau guarded KG much better than Dirk ever could, so KG goes off and maybe even wins Finals MVP should Dirk replace Pau.

I love how one poster refers to Dirk as a jump shooter only, even though he gets to the line 7-8 times per game and averages around 8-9 rebounds a year. How can a jump shooter get to the line that much and rebound that much? You also disregard his above average passing skills.

The Dirk hate is some sort of xenophobia or jealousy or something.

What do you call someone who's go-to move is an isolation at the top of the key for a fadeaway? A jumpshooter. He's 7 feet tall. He should be grabbing that many rebounds. He should probably even board more, honestly.

[monosylab1k]

think Dirk could have anchored the middle against Boston any better than Pau? Perhaps guarded KG?

Yes to both. Did you just start watching basketball this year? Well I'll inform you that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day, a year ago, and for years before that, Kevin Garnett played in the Western Conference. Shocker, I know. And Dirk regularly kicked KG's ass up and down the court when they were both in the WC. In fact, if you do a little research you'll see that they even met up in the playoffs. Guess which team swept the other one? Guess who played better between KG and Dirk? It wasn't even close. Dirk DOMINATED Garnett.

[ElNono]

"Teach this guy a lesson" - and this means what? Scoring 50 a game? 60? Dirk's numbers were plenty. Wasn't it you that suggested earlier that Dirk retaliate and fight West on the court? I believe it was. Tell us, what happens if Dirk does that? Does he build more cred in your eyes? What happens to the team?

That means dishing a can of ass whooping on the guy, including sending his team packing for the season. If he would have lost against guys like Kobe, Duncan... I can understand. But he turned into a giant vagina against guys like Stephen Jackson and David West. He has zero credibility at this point. That's why the media write things like:
"There was an element of toughness and leadership that had been missing in Dallas, and team officials believe Kidd transforms them." (LINK)

Which is basically an admission that the franchise player doesn't bring any of those.

Your list is flawed because you want it to be Top 10 players in the league based on how "they're playing right now". What sense does that make? You list Nash, Rasheed and Arenas among others. Just how well is Arenas playing right now? Yao?

I don't see people complaining about weekly/monthly MVP rankings during the season. That list is no different than this one.I only have Nash and Rasheed on my Top 10 list, and they are playing better than Dirk. Explained why already, but you didn't bother to bring any counter argument.

Show me where I said that and I'll give you credit for that.

This straight from The Dallas Morning News blog:

Barnes' hammy could be big deal
12:26 PM Thu, May 03, 2007 | Permalink
Tim MacMahon E-mail News tips
Matt Barnes' strained hamstring isn't getting major play in the media, but it's a huge blow to the Warriors if Barnes can't go full blast.

Barnes has been a stud this series, and I'm not just talking about him knocking down clutch 3s. The Tattooed Terror deserves a lot of credit for Dirk's struggles.

If Barnes is gimpy, that's one less active body Nellie can throw at Dirk. That could be especially important if Dirk can draw a couple of quick fouls on Stephen Jackson.


The link for that article was:
http://mavs.beloblog.com/archives/20..._big_deal.html

but it has been deleted now. You can use google cache to view it.

So, if he gets out of the 1st round he sheds all those labels? Let's ignore the fact that Dirk was better this season than even in his MVP year. That he was working under a lame duck coach and had personnel around him that would rather party and smoke weed than try to win a playoff series. These aren't excuses for him because he was good enough to put all that aside and still raise his game. This is a testament to how hard he works and the passion he has. Just because you don't see him in damned Gatorade or Nike commercial doesn't mean he doesn't bust his ass and love the game as much as the others. In more ways, he works harder.

Getting out of the first round would help these days. Doing anything right in the playoffs would actually help. And his numbers don't mean when you can't win the series. You're basically admitting that he can't make his teammates better. Some leader you got there.

And again, back to your list. A number of the guys supposedly playing better than him "right now" have failed to make it out of the 1st round themselves. One guy in particular, Tracy McGrady, has never made it. But you knew that already. If Dirk has those labels because he can't get his team out of the 1st round, then what's said about McGrady, Yao? And can we assume that Gasol is no longer a "soft choker" because of his postseason accomplishments this year?

I said getting out of the 1st round would help. Doesn't mean he'll shred them off by just doing that, but it would certainly be better than to keep coming short. Gasol is still soft. He just has a post game, which complements well with perimeter players like Kobe. Unlike your team which basically has no interior presence whatsoever. Still, none of the guys you mentioned above are on my Top 10 list.

Technically, no one is playing right now, but we'll ignore that for your sake. When anyone makes a list of Top 10 players in the league, must they also make the caveat that it's how "they're playing right now"? Maybe you should stick to weekly individual player power rankings as that seems to be your calling. You come up with this bull list and then back away, saying it's based on playoff performances. And then you proceed to list some of the guys I've already brought up - Nash, Gasol, Arenas, Yao. So which is it, man?

Nash is the only guy on my Top 10 list. I already explained why he's better than Dirk. I still don't see you making a counter point to my claims. As far as the rest you mention, I said we can argue about it.

You're all over the place, scrambling to save face. Admit you're full of and you don't know what you're talking about and we'll be done with it.

I'm still here. You keep attacking my list, but bring no counterpoints.
Can you admit he can't guard anybody?
Can you admit he can't post up anybody?
Can you admit he can't lead anybody?
Can you admit that, outside his jumper, he got nothing special going for him?
If you can't, I'd like to hear why...

[stretch]

elnono is a ing dumbass

[MavDynasty]

That means dishing a can of ass whooping on the guy, including sending his team packing for the season. If he would have lost against guys like Kobe, Duncan... I can understand. But he turned into a giant vagina against guys like Stephen Jackson and David West. He has zero credibility at this point. That's why the media write things like:
"There was an element of toughness and leadership that had been missing in Dallas, and team officials believe Kidd transforms them." (LINK)

Which is basically an admission that the franchise player doesn't bring any of those.



I don't see people complaining about weekly/monthly MVP rankings during the season. That list is no different than this one.I only have Nash and Rasheed on my Top 10 list, and they are playing better than Dirk. Explained why already, but you didn't bother to bring any counter argument.



This straight from The Dallas Morning News blog:

Barnes' hammy could be big deal
12:26 PM Thu, May 03, 2007 | Permalink
Tim MacMahon E-mail News tips
Matt Barnes' strained hamstring isn't getting major play in the media, but it's a huge blow to the Warriors if Barnes can't go full blast.

Barnes has been a stud this series, and I'm not just talking about him knocking down clutch 3s. The Tattooed Terror deserves a lot of credit for Dirk's struggles.

If Barnes is gimpy, that's one less active body Nellie can throw at Dirk. That could be especially important if Dirk can draw a couple of quick fouls on Stephen Jackson.


The link for that article was:
http://mavs.beloblog.com/archives/20..._big_deal.html

but it has been deleted now. You can use google cache to view it.



Getting out of the first round would help these days. Doing anything right in the playoffs would actually help. And his numbers don't mean when you can't win the series. You're basically admitting that he can't make his teammates better. Some leader you got there.


I said getting out of the 1st round would help. Doesn't mean he'll shred them off by just doing that, but it would certainly be better than to keep coming short. Gasol is still soft. He just has a post game, which complements well with perimeter players like Kobe. Unlike your team which basically has no interior presence whatsoever. Still, none of the guys you mentioned above are on my Top 10 list.



Nash is the only guy on my Top 10 list. I already explained why he's better than Dirk. I still don't see you making a counter point to my claims. As far as the rest you mention, I said we can argue about it.



I'm still here. You keep attacking my list, but bring no counterpoints.
Can you admit he can't guard anybody?
Can you admit he can't post up anybody?
Can you admit he can't lead anybody?
Can you admit that, outside his jumper, he got nothing special going for him?
If you can't, I'd like to hear why...

Wow just shut the up

[ElNono]

If you replace Dirk for Gasol on the Lakers, you destroy the Lakers offense, simply because Gasol's function is to draw people in the interior since he has a post up game, freeing the perimeter players like Kobe, Fisher and Sasha. Dirk would just be another perimeter player and basically prevent the Lakers from playing inside-out. Defensively, it's a wash.
Now if you replace Dirk for Pierce in Boston, you create a matchup . Who guards Kobe Bryant? Ray Allen? Dirk?

[Shank]

I like how Elnono thinks I'm Tim McMahon and doesn't know the meaning of the word "counterpoints" when I clearly disputed all of his bull claims.

Dude, you're making an ass out of yourself.

[ElNono]

elnono is a ing dumbass

Wow just shut the up

Exactly the replies I expect. You guys can attack me all you want, I don't care.

[Findog]

Dirk must've forgotten to give ElNono a courtesy reach around. What bitterness.

The Hornets were decisively better than the Mavericks. Dirk can't beat them by himself. Kobe couldn't get out of the first round with a subpar supporting cast. He made the Finals with a decent one. Paul Pierce couldn't elevate Boston into anything special without Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. Kevin Garnett couldn't get out of the first round in Minnesota without Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. If those guys get passes for a lack of team success, then I don't see why Dirk doesn't get one as well.

ElNono, nobody is saying Dirk is Bill Russell when it comes to defense, but the defensive scouting report on him needs to be updated: He's a decent help defender, he will give up his body to lay hard fouls, and he will give up his body to contest shots at the rim. Simply saying "he can't guard" anybody is not the complete story.

Saying he "can't post anybody up" misses the point. His back to the basket game is mediocre. His spin move is slow, he's too lanky and clumsy to outmanuever guys in the post. He has worked on a post game and it's never come close in efficiency and effectiveness of his perimeter game. He's a 2 in a 4's body and has a unique skillset. Tim Duncan has a decent jumper, but you don't want him shooting those all game long instead of banging in the post. In the case of Dirk, you don't want him trying to post up guys when he's at his deadliest getting the ball on the wing and being isolated one on one. He's been a top 5-7 player in the league without the post game of a Tim Duncan or Dwight Howard. And it's not like he hasn't tried to add that facet to his game, it's simply never going to be the weapon that his shooting and drive skills are.

You're either a troll or just incredibly bitter over 2006.

[stretch]

Exactly the replies I expect. You guys can attack me all you want, I don't care.

then why did you reply?

[ElNono]

I like how Elnono thinks I'm Tim McMahon and doesn't know the meaning of the word "counterpoints" when I clearly disputed all of his bull claims.

I said fans like you. Tim McMahon is a homer just like you.
And I answered all your counterpoints, and asked some more questions.
Are you going to answer them?

Dude, you're making an ass out of yourself.

I know what I'm doing, thank you. Are you going to answer or you're just going to keep on telling me what to do?

[Shank]

Exactly the replies I expect. You guys can attack me all you want, I don't care.

We can tell by the pickle wearing a top hat in your avatar that you don't care.

But we can also tell by your idiotic 'Top 10 players at noon on Tuesdays in March while the moon is in the 3rd cycle and Saved by the Bell: The College Years is on TBS and I'm wearing a buttplug' list and the fact that you don't even watch enough basketball to know your claims about Dirk are asinine that you don't care, either.

If you really don't care, then we'll get mono to come in here and call you a few more names. That should do it.

[Shank]

I said fans like you. Tim McMahon is a homer just like you.
And I answered all your counterpoints, and asked some more questions.
Are you going to answer them?


I know what I'm doing, thank you. Are you going to answer or you're just going to keep on telling me what to do?

Tim McMahon isn't a homer. In fact, I know Tim and can say that with 100% certainty.

It's funny how you think you've earned the right to have me answer your stupid questions without you doing the same for mine. You actually think I respect your opinions enough to opine on your silliness?

[ElNono]

Dirk must've forgotten to give ElNono a courtesy reach around. What bitterness.

It's not bitterness. I just call it the way I see it. You know, if I'm wrong, I'd like to hear why. This post is actually an excellent example of the type of conversation I wanted to have. We have had conversations like this with you before, even though we didn't agree about Dirk.

The Hornets were decisively better than the Mavericks. Dirk can't beat them by himself. Kobe couldn't get out of the first round with a subpar supporting cast. He made the Finals with a decent one. Paul Pierce couldn't elevate Boston into anything special without Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. Kevin Garnett couldn't get out of the first round in Minnesota without Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. If those guys get passes for a lack of team success, then I don't see why Dirk doesn't get one as well.

They were the better team, and I addressed the Mavs roster woes earlier on. I actually said Dirk is a very talented player, and I've seen him play in Top 10 form before. The question I posed is wether it had to do with the system, the coach, or was it his problem.
I also said I was anxious to see how it would turn out with a new coach and a full training camp under his direction.
What I will not take is somebody claiming he's playing at the same level he was playing 2 years ago. He's not playing at Top 10 level right now, IMO. I don't necessarily know if it's his fault or not. That's something I wanted to talk about, but the topic derailed into ing about my list and personal attacks.

ElNono, nobody is saying Dirk is Bill Russell when it comes to defense, but the defensive scouting report on him needs to be updated: He's a decent help defender, he will give up his body to lay hard fouls, and he will give up his body to contest shots at the rim. Simply saying "he can't guard" anybody is not the complete story.

His man to man defense has needed work for years, but it never seems to improve. His post defense can be basically resumed in attempting to slap the ball. It's truly a mystery, since he has the size and length to be a defensive force, but for some reason he has not worked on it. At this point you would have to say he's not interested in that.

Saying he "can't post anybody up" misses the point. His back to the basket game is mediocre. His spin move is slow, he's too lanky and clumsy to outmanuever guys in the post. He has worked on a post game and it's never come close in efficiency and effectiveness of his perimeter game. He's a 2 in a 4's body and has a unique skillset. Tim Duncan has a decent jumper, but you don't want him shooting those all game long instead of banging in the post. In the case of Dirk, you don't want him trying to post up guys when he's at his deadliest getting the ball on the wing and being isolated one on one. He's been a top 5-7 player in the league without the post game of a Tim Duncan or Dwight Howard. And it's not like he hasn't tried to add that facet to his game, it's simply never going to be the weapon that his shooting and drive skills are.

I think they should play him at 2 then. And find an actual real 4 with a post game. I've mentioned it a long time ago, Elton Brand is available. Now, if you're going to play him at 4, then have the guy develop a semblance of a post up game. You mention Duncan, and yeah, he will favor his post up game, because that's his bread and butter. But he can shoot the jumper and make it too. It will be a lower percentage shot than a hook shoot, but he can still hit the jumper with a fairly good percentage. The thing with Dirk is that when the driving lanes are closed, it's his jumper or the highway. He just doesn't even have a semblance of a post up game to put any kind of pressure on the other team's defense.

You're either a troll or just incredibly bitter over 2006.

2006 is old story. We moved on. It would be good if some Mavs fan would also move on from 2006, and start asking themselves what has Dirk done more me lately...

[ElNono]

Tim McMahon isn't a homer. In fact, I know Tim and can say that with 100% certainty.

It's funny how you think you've earned the right to have me answer your stupid questions without you doing the same for mine. You actually think I respect your opinions enough to opine on your silliness?

Wether I think I earned your respect or not is irrelevant. I couldn't care less.
I took the time to respond to your questions, and if I missed any, please point me to them. It was my choice to respond, and I did.
Now you have a choice too. Again, are you going to respond to my questions or not?

[Shank]

What I will not take is somebody claiming he's playing at the same level he was playing 2 years ago. He's not playing at Top 10 level right now, IMO.

I think they should play him at 2 then.

Sorry, Findog, but I'm stepping in on this real quick.

First point - answer this: Was Dirk's play this past season better or worse than either 2006 or when he won his MVP? As someone that follows my favorite team, I can tell you that I haven't seen the guy play much better than he did this last season, especially after the Kidd trade. The numbers will obviously be less than what he accomplished in 06-07, but his play was much better.

Second point - please tell me you're not serious. In your magical world, do you often see 7' guys playing the 2?

[Shank]

Wether I think I earned your respect or not is irrelevant. I couldn't care less.
I took the time to respond to your questions, and if I missed any, please point me to them. It was my choice to respond, and I did.
Now you have a choice too. Again, are you going to respond to my questions or not?

Recap your bull list of questions (since they're scattered all over the ing place) and I'll see if I have the lifeforce to answer them. I highly doubt, though, that you'd do the same in return.

[Shank]

Hey! It's almost noon! Time for a new "Top 10 players at noon on the first Wednesday of July" list!