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I'm not going to repeat it. I stated my position in that thread.
But, intervening in public and putting yourself in harms way is perfectly acceptable?
I'm not going to repeat it. I stated my position in that thread.
And where, exactly, did any of those posts suggest that alarms were an absolutely "fool proof" method of protection?
As has been pointed out to you, repeatedly, in almost every argument you've been involved in here, things aren't always one way OR the other. Saying that alarms can be effective is NOT THE SAME thing as saying that they never fail.
If you and/or your belongings are the specific target of a planned burglary by professional/experienced thieves, then, no, an alarm probably isn't going to do much to keep them from getting your stuff. However, I'd hazard a guess that's not the case with most home burglaries. You're likely to be dealing with a situation in which people are trying to get what they can quickly and with minimum hassle, in which case an alarm could be a deterrent. Same reason that you're unlikely to get robbed if you're in a second floor (or higher) apartment -- heavy items, stairs, and loud sirens all bring attention and/or slow you down. Guarantee that you're never, ever, ever going to get robbed? Of course not. But it could be a deterrent.
http://www.shoot-n-iron.com/personal...al-tactics.asp
Yee-hah!!, and empty the clip.Ninety five percent of the confrontations involving us regular civilian folks occur at three to five feet--nose to nose and toes to toes; up close and damn personal. At this distance you will not have time to even aim your weapon. I know, the so-called "experts" say it doesn't take any more time to acquire a proper sight picture than it does to "shoot from the hip". I suspect these "experts" have never been there for real. I hear the "Weaver" and "Isosceles" stances being touted as the only way to go when needing a combat shooting platform. These are both very good stances if you are clearing a hostile area or while shooting compe ion, but in defensive shooting situations that I've been involved in--and there have been a few--I never once was able to tell my adversary to wait while I get into a proper stance. In reality, you are going to have to react from whatever position you happen to be in at the time. Attacks do not come when you are expecting them. You are attacked while you have your hands full of packages or something else. You will be looking away or not paying attention to what is going on around you. You may be even in a sitting position in a restaurant or in your vehicle. If possible get balanced on your feet. Shift your weight forward, out over the leading foot and knee. This will help reduce muzzle flip and recoil, thus letting you get the weapon back on target more rapidly. Remember, it may take more than one shot to stop an attacker.
Interesting bit I found while Googling, for what it is worth:
Most burglaries that are simple property crimes are done in the day, while the owner is presumed out. These crimes tend to be done by people simply out for money.
Night time burglaries have a much higher chance of being a "home invasion" scenario with the criminal prepared and armed somehow, who are looking for a "rush".
There is quite a bit of guessing and "could be" in this post.
I'd rather take the guessing out of it and shoot whomever is in my property.
Last edited by peewee's lovechild; 07-02-2008 at 05:58 PM.
I'm just not willing to become a victim.
I'm with ya peewee.
I'm not up for negotiating or "talking" with the criminals, like some would wnat to do.
UNDERSTAND where the poor criminal is coming from.
Again, though, where does it end? Can you shoot to defend your neighbor's property? This case says yes. But what about the guy who lives 4 houses down? or the lady who lives 3 blocks over? Or the guy who lives on the other side of town? or the lady who lives a mile away from your cousins in Amarillo?
Like the article said if the neighbor said to keep an eye on his property, it is within the law.
I just wonder how long this takes to become an episode of Law and Order
Who the said you had to talk with the people (or person) robbing your house? What the kind of discussion did you dream up in your head?
Story says no.
In his 911 call, Horn cited a newly enacted Texas law, the "castle doctrine," which authorizes the use of deadly force during a home invasion.
But Sen. Jeff Wentworth, who wrote the law, said it did not apply to Horn's case.
"It was not an issue in this case other than him saying incorrectly that he understood it to mean he could protect his neighbor's property," said Wentworth, R-San Antonio.
He said the castle doctrine simply didn't apply because, although the burglars were running across Horn's lawn, Horn's home wasn't under siege — his neighbor's home was.
"It comes from the saying 'A man's home is his castle,' " Wentworth said. "But this wasn't his castle."
And so does the law's sponsor. I can see that a grand jury or even a jury might choose to let the guy off for any number of reasons, but the castle doctrine would not seem to be one of them -- as Senator Wentworth says -- because the guy's home was never in danger.
And it makes no sense to me to extend the doctrine to protecting property other than your own. I'm glad to agree with Senator Wentworth on that issue.
not sure if has been said, but what is most impressive is this guy didn't freeze up and had the balls to pull the trigger... many people when faced with a decision like this, freeze up and can't do anything...whether it be run, hide or pull the trigger...
HERO! all the way
Vigilantism would skyrocket if that were the case.
He would disagree with you. He, being the guy who shot and killed two people.
for his sake, he had to.
Is he still a hero if he had shot and killed a 14 year old white kid?
you must have read this story
http://www.local6.com/news/16767927/detail.htmlBoy, 14, Breaks Into Home, Orders $100 Worth Of Porn Movies
PALM BAY, Fla. -- A 14-year-old boy broke into a Central Florida home and ordered more than $100 worth of porn movies on the family's television, police said.
Palm Bay police officers were called to a home on the 3200 block of Hainlin Avenue to investigate a break-in and discovered the crime, Local 6 News partner Florida Today.
Palm Bay police said the family had just returned from shopping when the boy was found watching television.
An investigation showed that the boy ordered about $129 worth of pornography on the victim’s television account.
The boy was charged with occupied burglary and grand theft.
The same teen, a Riverdale Country School student, was arrested June 25 and turned over to juvenile authorities before his mother was contacted. The teen has been arrested on felony charges before and will face a juvenile judge later this month, police reported.
Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.
Kid blew his load and his future.
Why? The burglars weren't entering his home. He could have stayed inside and remained perfectly safe. What about that scenario says that he had to shoot and kill these individuals?
Again, I have no problem with the castle doctrine as a legal principle; I have a big problem with applying it to situations that go beyond the sphere of protection that the law is meant to provide.
Here, for example, the shooter and his property were apparently in no danger, so I have no idea why he "had to" pull the trigger and shoot the burglars or why that decision is justifiable.
The part about the guy coming at him with a crowbar to me, would be frightening.
I will ask this, where does them being illegal/undo ented come into the story?
Had he stayed in his house, nobody would have come at him with a crowbar.
Who put Joe Horn in the immediate position to have a guy threaten him with a crowbar?
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