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    sorry to interject amidst the "you're a re /no, YOU'RE the re " business going down here but, does anyone think this was a good signing ?
    I think its about 65-35 towards good signing. Although it seems most people seem the SPurs overpaid a little.

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    Overpaid likely so that he'd take only 2 years.
    Agreed, but if he can approach his numbers as a starter last season....

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    I think its about 65-35 towards good signing. Although it seems most people seem the SPurs overpaid a little.
    A consistent problem for us were teams (NO and LAL) packing the paint, which complicated Tony and Manu's drives to the hole. 3pt shooting in the Playoffs is integral to breaking up the paint.

    Homeboy shot a whopping 24% against the Cavs from behind the arc. We paid 1/2 the MLE for 24% from behind the line.

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    He was a turnstile defensively for the last three months of the season. Like I said, he was great back in the day. Lately, not so much.

    Avery, Jaren Jackson, and Will Perdue contributed to les at one time. Want them back too?
    That was not just Finley. Our whole team defense slipped. That is why the offensive holes became so glaring. Just like I mentioned before, the Spurs offense was 10x better than the Celtics with regards to getting quality looks and good shots, but the Celtics D was 10x better than the Spurs so their missed shots and extremely stagnant offense did not hurt them as much.

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    good, good. I think this means Barry is going. if not. Mason + Barry will be great off the bench.

    I am happy with this. Mason is clutch and has great handles. and is not lazy on D either. and has a nice shot. He is one of the players that came through for Wizards when Arenas was out. He was great when Wiz beat Boston twice in 3 nights.

    he will fit in the spurs like a glove. you shall see and quote me on this.

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    A consistent problem for us were teams (NO and LAL) packing the paint, which complicated Tony and Manu's drives to the hole. 3pt shooting in the Playoffs is integral to breaking up the paint.

    Homeboy shot a whopping 24% against the Cavs from behind the arc. We paid 1/2 the MLE for 24% from behind the line.
    Who was the Wizards' low post scorer?

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    Overall I'm not thrilled with this acquisition, but given the cir stances it looks like a solid move. In total the Spurs are revamping their supporting cast, which they need to do.

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    No, the difference is that Finley is not retired like the guys you mentioned.

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    A consistent problem for us were teams (NO and LAL) packing the paint, which complicated Tony and Manu's drives to the hole. 3pt shooting in the Playoffs is integral to breaking up the paint.

    Homeboy shot a whopping 24% against the Cavs from behind the arc. We paid 1/2 the MLE for 24% from behind the line.
    Its hard to get open 3 point looks when your best bigman is Brendan Haywood. I think Tim might help him get open a little more.

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    sorry to interject amidst the "you're a re /no, YOU'RE the re " business going down here but, does anyone think this was a good signing ?
    I like it. The fact is that there was no wing player that was an UFA, that was a clear upgrade for the Spurs, that would have signed for the MLE, that was worth locking up for 5 years. That's just the way it is. It's a gamble going with a guy like Mason, but it's an even bigger gamble locking a guy up for 5 years, for more money.

    I'm not thrilled, but the market just wasn't there for the Spurs. We may have some trading options, Summer League should be interesting, we still have a couple interesting European options.

    I'm a bit nervous because he seems like another version of George Hill. I would have liked to have seen a run to sign Childress (I really like his game), but Atlanta would have matched a MLE offer. Maybe Childress signs for 2 years and we can make a run in 2010.

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    No, the difference is that Finley is not retired like the guys you mentioned.
    The fact is, this is July 9, 2008. Finley is Finley of said date. Nothing about the past matters today or tomorrow.

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    Who was the Wizards' low post scorer?
    "clutch;" "great shooter;" "brent barry replacement."

    That is how he's been described here.

    Fin has Duncan holding down the paint -- you want him chucking up threes? Just because you have a dominant big man does not mean you make your shots -- it means you have more space to get one off.

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    If he can even come close to doing what he did for the Wizards while he started that would be nothing short of a miracle. It is a lot easier to do that though when you play on a team that gives up a lot of points and plays at a faster pace. Although the Wizards defense did improve a little.

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    If Mason can score more consistently than Finley (not too difficult) and Hill can score more than Vaughn (again, not difficult), the Spurs should be in better shape--offensively--than this past season. And considering how well they did, this is not a disaster. Sure, it's not a big splash, but a nice ripple is all that's needed.

    Although there are still plenty of "ifs," the Spurs will contend this year once again. And if these new guys deliver, another le is not out of the question.
    Mason scoring more consistently than Finley is not a given. While Fin certainly regressed...he was billed as a shooter, had a nice consistent stroke, and hit plenty of big shots for the Spurs as recent as the Suns series.

    Mason had his first decent offensive season in four years last year and was Finley at his lowest on a regular basis the three years prior. He apparently was also not very good in the playoffs.

    I hope Mason can remain consistent and build on last year's production, but it's definitely a risk.

    I'll also add....I don't think Mason is built to be the Finley replacement. Meaning, I don't think Mason will start and/or play the signficant swingman role off the bench. If they're counting on him for that, they might be disappointed.

    I'd like Udoka to take on the Fin role and Mason to take on the Barry role....I still am not sure that is an upgrade, however.

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    "clutch;" "great shooter;" "brent barry replacement."

    That is how he's been described here.

    Fin has Duncan holding down the paint -- you want him chucking up threes? Just because you have a dominant big man does not mean you make your shots -- it means you have more space to get one off.
    You didn't answer my question.

    Who was the Wizards' low post scorer?

    And sure I would have Finley "chucking up" threes. He shot a good percentage. He's just old now and needs to be replaced by someone younger. Like Mason.

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    "clutch;" "great shooter;" "brent barry replacement."

    That is how he's been described here.

    Fin has Duncan holding down the paint -- you want him chucking up threes? Just because you have a dominant big man does not mean you make your shots -- it means you have more space to get one off.
    Fin doesnt have any legs left.

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    Well, he may have a point on the Aggie thing.

    GO BAYLOR BEARS!!!!

    Nowhere to go but up baby!
    Sic 'em

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    That was not just Finley. Our whole team defense slipped. That is why the offensive holes became so glaring.
    It's not a coincidence that the teams defense began to slip when Finley, Barry and Oberto were brought in.

    Finley's a major defensive liability and Barry is as well. Mason is a good defender.

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    So then why do we use Masons past years as a reference? Obviously you have to look to the future, I saw Finley play, and IMO he is not done. He could still be useful on any team if in the right role.

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    I'm a bit nervous because he seems like another version of George Hill. I would have liked to have seen a run to sign Childress (I really like his game), but Atlanta would have matched a MLE offer. Maybe Childress signs for 2 years and we can make a run in 2010.
    I absolutely agree with this ... another combo guard. I just wonder what this means for G-Hill? I'd like to hear from all those who were lining up to give The George Hill a lapdance .... what do they think about this signing and our respective confidence in our new young pg.

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    "clutch;" "great shooter;" "brent barry replacement."

    That is how he's been described here.

    Fin has Duncan holding down the paint -- you want him chucking up threes? Just because you have a dominant big man does not mean you make your shots -- it means you have more space to get one off.

    He is no where near the shooter or ball handler that Barry is...

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    So then why do we use Masons past years as a reference? Obviously you have to look to the future, I saw Finley play, and IMO he is not done. He could still be useful on any team if in the right role.
    It's one thing to look at last season for a relatively young player than to use an entire careers worth of stuff for an old scoring guard who is a shadow of his former self. Mason continues to improve season after season while Finley declines.

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    It's not a coincidence that the teams defense began to slip when Finley, Barry and Oberto were brought in.

    Finley's a major defensive liability and Barry is as well. Mason is a good defender.
    So how did we have such good defense in 07 just one year ago with those same players?

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    I absolutely agree with this ... another combo guard. I just wonder what this means for G-Hill? I'd like to hear from all those who were lining up to give The George Hill a lapdance .... what do they think about this signing and our respective confidence in our new young pg.
    No effect on Hill.

    Hill is going to have to be a point guard no matter what.

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    See if we can get Tony Allen for the other 1.9 mill ......gives us some flexiblity

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