THE SPURS are NOT going to REPEAT, Damn I hope TD leaves the SPurs

[AFBlue]

FWD,

I'm seriously trying hard not to debate with you because I'm lacking the time and energy at this point....

But, I have one final thing to say. I think the Spurs FO does a phenomenal job of maintaining flexibility for the future while putting forth a compe ive team for the present. I just happen to disagree with this move and think it makes the task of competing for another le a more difficult one.

I respect your difference of opinion and am glad I could rationally explain mine. I guess on this particular move and on the state of the Spurs as currently constructed, we'll agree to disagree...

[HJNTX]

True but I'm sure he's heart broken and devastated over the loss of Jakie Butler.

I think I heard he didn't have the strengh to polish his four rings like he does every night.

It's very doubtful Tim polishes his rings at all..He's not about that ...

[bigbendbruisebrother]

How old are you 5? you want Tim to leave SA because we traded Jackie Butler?

Hey now, I used to be 5! Don't insult five year olds!

The guy who started this thread had obviously grown weary of his double jointed ability to lick his own genitalia. He has clearly decided to switch to a new hobby--self-induced, public flagellation. More power to him. Don't listen to the nay-sayers. You GO, idiot!

[td4mvp3]

FWD,

They actually went away from that by dealing their only low-post players outside of Duncan.

On Butler,

To say that he wasn't good last year is to completely miss the point. He was good in limited minutes as a raw, out-of-shape prospect with the Knicks. And he spent the majority of last year without the opportunity to prove himself while he reshaped his body and adjusted to that lost weight. I understand his numbers weren't mindblowing in Summer League this year, but he was clearly the best player on the floor for the Spurs and showed good/great offensive potential.

On Scola,

He didn't have any trade value because no team was going to pay too high a price for a guy they weren't sure was ever going to come overseas and play for them. His trade value (Spurs reportedly always asked for a FIRST rounder, BTW) was never based on his talent. What's so hard to understand about that?

how did the spurs deal away their only low-post scoring when neither player actually played for the spurs (or played so sparingly as to be next to never playing)? elson and oberto proved some scoring ability (the latter going 11-11 in one game and completely flummoxing utah in that series and showing up well against phoenix, too, to my surprise).

my deal with butler continues to be how the is he going to any team out of shape? how is he not in tip-top form to start play for the spurs? give yourself a chance, it's hard enough to get in the league to piss it away with too many twinkies. as for his summer league play, granted, he was the best on the team but, so far, that's not saying much. his numbers weren't stunning and his team has proven itself to be rather crappy.

and i can't believe teams would balk too much just based on the deal that houston arranged for scola. seemed reasonable, certainly within the realm of most teams. the spurs were asking for a 1st rounder but, if i remember right, they'd fielded some other offers as things fell apart before the houston deal. i might be wrong on that, though.

[td4mvp3]

Spurs won't lose TD after next year, but I'm not as confident on their chances of a repeat given their recent roster moves.

I understand that neither of the pieces traded away thus far had an impact on last year's team, but I also don't think that the Spurs had the most difficult road to the finals. I know it's not their fault, but the Spurs didn't have to face the Mavericks, had an Amare-less Suns team for one game, and didn't face the Pistons, Heat, or Bulls out of the East.

Add to that, Houston has added another legitimate scoring guard in James and legitimate low-post PFs in Scola & Butler. If they stay healthy, I think they surpass Utah and step into the conversation to turn what was clearly "top 3" last year into "top 4" next year.

All the while, the Spurs have elected to stand pat and extend the players that helped them to the win last year. Not a dumb decision, but I wouldn't argue that it was a smart one either.

I suppose time will tell, but I don't share the level of confidence in the current group that the Spurs FO seems to...

but essentially the same group took the mavs to 7 games, impressively enough; beat a suns team that had amare on it on 3 occassions, beat a much better pistons team a couple of years ago, and shouldn't be held liable for never playing teams that either proved their inep ude by being swept in the first round or never making it to the finals since jordan. what's more, houston lost to the same utah team that got spanked by the spurs. if scola's defense is as suspect as everyone notes, i wonder if his presence changes those fortunes. not that the guy won't be a solid contributor for the rockets, but solid is juwan howard, too.

[michaelwcho]

I can't ban anyone, and I wouldn't normally call for the ban of someone who happens to be a little bit ignorant about certain basketball matters. But this is different. You don't have a goddamn brain in your ing head. You don't deserve a mere ban from this site; you should be on permanent house arrest. No access to the outside world, no TV's, computers, or phones - just a cage, lots of straw, a water dish, an exercise wheel, and a maze with a fresh piece of cheese daily. You don't deserve the same rights the rest of us have.

That was the best smack-down I've ever seen. I like how you carried the "lab-rat" analogy through. I wouldn't have chosen that particular one, but well-done!

[Marcus Bryant]

Butler put up numbers with the Knicks, but, again, I don't see any translation to a full-time contributor. In fact, skimming the game log from his 2005-06 season, it appears that he did a lot of his statistical ac ulation in moments when his team was being blown out. Butler was sold as a Hollinger-type star -- great per 48's; but great per 48's mean very little without proper context. When I watch Jackie Butler, though, I don't see a guy who has the ability to put up significant numbers in NBA games over long periods of time. At least not yet. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, and if so, more power to him; but it probably says something about the kid that the Rockets will already be his 3rd organization in 4 seasons.

Sure, the stats guy in Htown probably creamed himself over the per 48s. LBrown was given as the reason Butler didn't see more PT during his time with the Knicks. I think Butler has potential, but am not ready to anoint him as a consistent starter at the 5 in the NBA. He can be one day, but that's not a given. Post-trade evaluations in pro sports automatically give cer ude to prospective performance. That's why a lot of deals in the NBA that are hyped as the 'rip off of the century' turn into something else a few years down the pike. By that time, most fans will have forgotten and the team will have at least sold a few more tickets. I expect Scola to have near superhuman capabilities by early October.

You completely missed my point. My argument goes like this:

1. Scola is reputed to be a great talent
2. Ostensibly, teams in the NBA would be interested in acquiring a great talent
3. The Spurs offered Scola for trade and asked for a 1st Round pick for him
4. The Spurs talked to several teams about Scola
5. No team would offer the Spurs more than a 2nd round pick
6. In a rational market, teams bidding on a player with great talent will increase their offers; teams didn't increase their offers

There are two ways that you can look at that scenario: (1) teams were willing to let a great talent pass them by because they didn't want to pay too steep a price to acquire that talent; or (2) teams believed that paying the Spurs price for Scola was giving up value that exceeded what they'd get in return. I suspect the latter is what truly happened.

I understand the point about the uncertainty with Scola's future. But if Luisito was truly a guy who would make an immediate difference upon coming to the NBA, I suspect that upper-echelon teams would have been quite willing to part with a late first rounder to get a shot at a guy who would be better than anyone they might draft at that point.

Did Scola have the Spurs over a barrel in a sense? Sure. But the Spurs were equally capable of screwing Scola over as well -- after all, if they viewed him as a guy who might hurt them down the road, they could have just marooned him in Europe. In any event, for all of the articles of faith that comprise your argument, here's on of my own: I don't buy that Scola's price was down solely because of his cir stances.

It was the Spurs who had Scola over the barrel. The worst case for the Spurs was that a player who they apparently did not want would become unavailable for the forseeable future, thereby diminishing his value to the point they could not even land a 2nd round pick for his draft rights. The Spurs were at the point where landing a 2nd round pick and being seen as magnanimous towards an international talent looking to break into the league was deemed more worthwhile than just continuing to freeze him out. If the scenario was that Scola was a great talent and the Spurs were unwilling to meet his contract demands, they'd continue to freeze him out instead of gifting him to a divisional rival. The one counter to that is that the Spurs have been willing to send quality talent to a prospective rival before to accomplish other objectives (ie Barbosa in '03). In this case the objective was to shed the contract of a player they decided would not fit and reduce their prospective future luxury tax liability.

[gaKNOW!blee]

wow, are Spurs fans really this spoiled?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Scola's NBA success will be a painful thing to watch

[gaKNOW!blee]

Scola's NBA success will be a painful thing to watch

not while we're winning les

[jay014]

saving money for 2008 free agent. Josh Smith from atlanta,Al Jefferson from boston,Luol Deng,Corey Maggette,pops boy Nenad Krstic,and one of scolas buddies Walter Herrmann. besides stephen jackson and jermaine o'neal(who will be a free agent next year) rode the bench early in their career.besides who wants gun waving idiot on their team.maybe james white will turn out to be another stephen jackson without the guns or ian mahinmi might become a dennis rodman without the crayola hair. Now we get to see if Scola was worth trading for nothing,I dought it.Hopefully tiago splitter turns to be something you never know besides it way to early to be criticizing the spurs on the moves they made. there is another 3 months before training camp and the trading deadline is early 2008 and TIM DUNCAN will extend his contract this year and they put up another 3 or 4 banners in the next 5 years so stop your crying and as for the lakers they SUCK! come to think of it you sound like kobe and if you are F#CK YOU!!

[G-Nob]

Yes, I have a response......uhhh what?

-geico caveman

[Gros Membres!]

people always sucking off Buford and Pop for being such a genius



when the reality is Pop got rid of then current coach when Duncan comes to the Spurs, rydes his coat tails to 4 les and looks good all the way



think about it, without the FLUKE picks of Paker and Manu the Spurs have done king jack int he draft. That Scola pick turned out great


and you want to talk about free agen signing....... WHY ISN"T STEVEN JACKSON A SPUR???????? but we have "shows up every other week to play" Barry. Couldn't land Jermaine Oneal either. Could you imagine a front court of TD and JO? Spurs can't get ANYONE worth while in free agency except dinosaurs who want to get a ring.

You're a real in' tool, Spurs Dynasty. A blunt one, too.

[GreasyJoe]

withtout TD the Spurs are fukk1n dog


and despite surrounding him with bums he's blessed SA with 4 les

and swear to God I would be PISSED if TD doesn't opt out, I hope he goes to the fukking Lakers and win les with Kobe


Spurs fan "BuT BUT BUT we re-signed BONNER and VAUGHN"




people always sucking off Buford and Pop for being such a genius



when the reality is Pop got rid of then current coach when Duncan comes to the Spurs, rydes his coat tails to 4 les and looks good all the way



think about it, without the FLUKE picks of Paker and Manu the Spurs have done king jack int he draft. That Scola pick turned out great


and you want to talk about free agen signing....... WHY ISN"T STEVEN JACKSON A SPUR???????? but we have "shows up every other week to play" Barry. Couldn't land Jermaine Oneal either. Could you imagine a front court of TD and JO? Spurs can't get ANYONE worth while in free agency except dinosaurs who want to get a ring.

Let's not also forget the genius Spurs FO and there talent evaluation, for trading this guys rights for a box of used condoms





no player has EVER been taken more for granted

Wow. Why don't you go drink bleach, forget how to breathe and just die. got get the out and eat a bag of s you piece of .

[Texas_Ranger]

[nil.ball]

lolz

[Tully365]

Koo Koo

[Taking it to the Hole]

I think Timmy will be halfway working on the second hand of rings before he retires.

[Sissiborgo]

Duncan ain't goging nowhere he LOCO

[honestfool84]

spurs dynasty is an asshole.

[anakha]

SD21's greatest emo thread.

[tp2021]

lolz

why in Tim's name did you bump this thread? what a loser.

[Brutalis]

Troll thread

[Strike]

[MarHill]

wow, are Spurs fans really this spoiled?

Yes they are!


And they don't know this is the Golden Age of the Franchise!! But some fans want to keep arguing about the ones who got away (Scola) or the ones they didnt get (Maggette)!!!


Yikes....it can be frustrating when they don't have perspective and look at the big picture.

For a championship level team....they are great financial position (they have gotten most of their bad contracts...i.e, Rasho, Malik, etc.) and they can still contend for a championship!!!

But of course...that isn't flashy or spectacular to talk or blog about!!

Spurs suck! (even though they have average 58 wins since the 2000 season. They had two 60 wins season in 2003 & 2006. They have reached at least the Western Conference Semis since 1999 {exception of 2000 where they reached the 1st Round Playoffs}. That is 9 out of 10 years of going deep into the playoffs and having a chance to win a championship!!!)

I know....perspective and the ability to see the forest from trees doesn't matter!

Some Spurs fans would rather see the team suck like the Clippers or Timberwolves. It would make them feel better...how ironic!!

This fan likes the fact we have a championship contending team and we are always right there and the fact we have WON IT...4 times in 10 years!!!!

Professional Sports is about winning championships....sometimes fans forget that!!!