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    Any confirmed source saying the Spurs have offered Thomas a contract? Or are the Spurs pursuing someone like Krstic first?

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    So if the market makes no play for KT (meaning he receives no offers) than the Spurs should offer him only the minimum? You have to make players happy. You do not overpay them, but you can not have guys on your team pissed about contract situations.
    Paying a guy more than his market value is overpaying him if you can avoid it. KT probably knows that the Spurs are going to be hurting if he leaves so he has some leverage there, however I imagine the "I might go somewhere else for less money" ploy that so many players have used with success doesn't fly well in San Antonio. There are a couple of teams out there that seem to genuinely dislike the Spurs; maybe one of them will float a rumor out there about KT just to drive up the price.

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    Actually, I read your other two dozen posts where you aren't discussing possibilities of re-signing KT. I probably had something better to do than wade through pages of flame wars only to find zero new information about KT, so I figured I'd make you an official Kurt Thomas Watch. See above.


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    I am discussing theory of what might be going on inside the Spurs F.O.. Trying to get others opinions on what might be happening and why the wait. My THEORY is that the Spurs should step up and make an offer within reason. Others say wait and let the market make the first offer. There are pros and cons to each. It is just banter. If you do not like it, go post on the Emeka Okafor thread.

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    Damn. Dude just totally made his own KT watch. KT WATCH
    And you're still trashing your own thread.

    By the way, that's your KT watch. Consider it your "don't where you live" consolation prize.

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    Damn. Dude just totally made his own KT watch. KT WATCH
    I found the KT Watch to be rather dope.

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    Paying a guy more than his market value is overpaying him if you can avoid it. KT probably knows that the Spurs are going to be hurting if he leaves so he has some leverage there, however I imagine the "I might go somewhere else for less money" ploy that so many players have used with success doesn't fly well in San Antonio. There are a couple of teams out there that seem to genuinely dislike the Spurs; maybe one of them will float a rumor out there about KT just to drive up the price.
    True, but that is where we have to have faith in our F.O.. They can sift through what is real or not and see if Kurt actually has an offer. If he does, they can say : "we are willing to match". I am just arguing from a strictly economic theory point of view, hence the willingness to pay. That in theory is the Spurs market value for a player. There is something to be said for minimizing risks. What one may say is overpaying (by making the first offer of 3.5M for example), one can argue that even though you might have been able to pay him less if you waited, the fact that you eliminated the risks was worth the difference in what you paid, to a certain degree of course.

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    I found the KT Watch to be rather dope.
    For shizzle

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    And you're still trashing your own thread.

    By the way, that's your KT watch. Consider it your "don't where you live" consolation prize.
    Ya, life lessons on SpursTalk.

    A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush is the point I am trying to make with my KT theory.

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    I am fixing to kick some rather gifted oratorical skills and :

    I found that timepiece to be semi-phly.

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    Ya, life lessons on SpursTalk.

    A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush is the point I am trying to make with my KT theory.
    We get it. And after three pages of you trying to rephrase the same theory, you're still wrong.

    The Spurs are waiting to let the market set his value. There is no reason for them to make him an offer now because the only two outcomes are:

    1. They overpay him

    2. They offer him a low offer that pisses him off and he walks on principle

    Why risk either when they don't have to?

    If LA offers him the MLE for 3 years, the Spurs can add a half a million a year to it and beat it. If LA and Miami go elsewhere, no one else gets in on the bidding, maybe he only costs 2-3 million a year.

    No matter how much paranoia you want to post in this stupid thread, there's zero reasons for the Spurs to make an offer now.

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    According to reports the Lakers pay Thomas 9 million dollars a year because of luxury tax...

    There is something to be said for stepping up to the plate. I am not saying offer him a lot of money, nor insult him. Use your judgment, assess your willingness to pay (an economics term) and make him an offer that you think is fair with regards to his worth and what other teams would offer. If the Spurs are willing to match a full MLE type deal (if somehow KT gets that), it is around ~6 million. So that is the Spurs willingness to pay. Offer him 3.5, which is above what would be considered to low, and way below what you would be ok in paying him. If he accepts than that is great, you essentially saved yourself 2.5 million and took out all the risks of losing him. If he declines, no big deal, because there is a chance (taking all the real world scenarios into consideration such as the Lakers luxury tax problems and the Heat trying to clear cap space) that the 3.5 is the best deal he gets. If he gets an offer for more than that then you know you are willing to go up to 6M to keep him.

    Spurs: Kurt, we would like to offer you a 3.5 million dollar contract. We really like what you bring to our team and we want to make you a Spur and get this deal done.

    Kurt: hmmm, 3.5, not sure, thank you for the offer, I need some time to see how FA works out, but I will be in touch

    Spurs: we know you want to weigh your options, but our deal is on the table and we are going to do what is in our powers to keep you a Spur.

    Next day: Lakers offer Kurt Thomas a 3 million dollar a year contract. The Heat have also tendered an offer for an estimated 4 million a year.

    Kurt: Well here are my offers, 4 million is what I would like to be paid and if you can up your initial offer to 4 million, I am a Spur.

    Spurs: Done, we are glad to have you again and we look forward to this season with you.

    Kurt: I want to thank you for stepping up to the plate, giving me time to make my decision and showing loyalty towards me and my family. Lets go to work...
    Oh how lovely things work out with such a hopeful imagination.
    Lolz at the Heat only being able to afford him at 4 million.

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    We get it. And after three pages of you trying to rephrase the same theory, you're still wrong.

    The Spurs are waiting to let the market set his value. There is no reason for them to make him an offer now because the only two outcomes are:

    1. They overpay him

    2. They offer him a low offer that pisses him off and he walks on principle

    Why risk either when they don't have to?

    If LA offers him the MLE for 3 years, the Spurs can add a half a million a year to it and beat it. If LA and Miami go elsewhere, no one else gets in on the bidding, maybe he only costs 2-3 million a year.

    No matter how much paranoia you want to post in this stupid thread, there's zero reasons for the Spurs to make an offer now.
    How am I wrong? Can you prove that I am wrong with quantifiable evidence or facts? Or is it your OPINION vs. my OPINION?

    He is an Unrestricted Free Agent. There are risks in waiting. He does not have to give the Spurs a chance to match. If he gets an offer he likes, that he feels is fair and strikes a relationship with a GM, coach or player, he can just sign and walk away. Is that paranoid? Maybe. Are you still a that can not back up anything you say with facts when you make accusations? Undoubtedly.

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    Oh how lovely things work out with such a hopeful imagination.
    Lolz at the Heat only being able to afford him at 4 million.
    What do you think they can offer him? Considering they are trying to clear cap space for 2010?
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    We get it. And after three pages of you trying to rephrase the same theory, you're still wrong.

    The Spurs are waiting to let the market set his value. There is no reason for them to make him an offer now because the only two outcomes are:

    1. They overpay him

    2. They offer him a low offer that pisses him off and he walks on principle

    Why risk either when they don't have to?

    If LA offers him the MLE for 3 years, the Spurs can add a half a million a year to it and beat it. If LA and Miami go elsewhere, no one else gets in on the bidding, maybe he only costs 2-3 million a year.

    No matter how much paranoia you want to post in this stupid thread, there's zero reasons for the Spurs to make an offer now.

    As Kori mentioned...if you do not like a thread or its contents, simply pass it by. It is not that hard. But if something is stupid or makes no sense to you, ignore it. Don't bash it or attack it, it just makes you look like a .

    Einstein said: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. If you keep thinking threads are dumb or pointless and you keep posting in them, they will never go away. If you do not like a thread, then odds are you were not the target market to begin with.

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    What do you think they can offer him? Considering they are trying to clear cap space for 2010?
    They're not making space for 2010, they just gave James Jones a 5 year deal.

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    They're not making space for 2010, they just gave James Jones a 5 year deal.
    Miami is over the cap, so how much could they offer KT?

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    How am I wrong? Can you prove that I am wrong with quantifiable evidence or facts? Or is it your OPINION vs. my OPINION?

    He is an Unrestricted Free Agent. There are risks in waiting. He does not have to give the Spurs a chance to match. If he gets an offer he likes, that he feels is fair and strikes a relationship with a GM, coach or player, he can just sign and walk away. Is that paranoid? Maybe. Are you still a that can not back up anything you say with facts when you make accusations? Undoubtedly.
    Oh brother. Forget it. We're ed. Kurt is signing with LA for 2 million. It sucks to be a Spurs fan.

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    They have about 1.5 mil pr year left from the MLE. Not likely enough to get him. It would have to be a sign and trade. SA has expressed intrest in Wright and he would solve our problems at the SF spot, but we would have to add a FA big to consider that.

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    As Kori mentioned...if you do not like a thread or its contents, simply pass it by. It is not that hard. But if something is stupid or makes no sense to you, ignore it. Don't bash it or attack it, it just makes you look like a .

    Einstein said: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. If you keep thinking threads are dumb or pointless and you keep posting in them, they will never go away. If you do not like a thread, then odds are you were not the target market to begin with.
    Um, yeah, thanks. I'll read and post wherever I want, even if certain posters keep posting the same over and over and over and over in the same thread in attempt to prove their point when multiple others have already countered it.

    It's comical that you're getting so bent of shape about any of us somehow not buying into your argument, when you're being just as stubborn about refusing to acknowlege anyone else's take.

    Insanity indeed.

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    Miami is over the cap, so how much could they offer KT?
    Apparently enough to sign him, if one listens to you.

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    Um, yeah, thanks. I'll read and post wherever I want, even if certain posters keep posting the same over and over and over and over in the same thread in attempt to prove their point when multiple others have already countered it.

    It's comical that you're getting so bent of shape about any of us somehow not buying into your argument, when you're being just as stubborn about refusing to acknowlege anyone else's take.

    Insanity indeed.
    I just started ignoring the parts where he says to ignore him.

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    I just started ignoring the parts where he says to ignore him.
    Love you chump!

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    I think that's been established.

    Wait ... you just admitted to being the girl in a relationship with ChumpDumper?

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    I also ignore the parts where he says he loves me.

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    Its called a joke, if you can't laugh at yourself...

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