Spurs sign Anthony Tolliver

[DPG21920]

I said Mahinmi has a better shot to make it in the long run than Tolliver.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth and get over yourself.

Major problem on SpursTalk! Everyone puts words in peoples mouths.

[ducks]

i should have taken it...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...lliver&page=19

you said ian would not make it as a spur
I said he would
and said sig bet

[Biggems]

So now they can write the sequel to Gulliver's Travels

Tolliver's Travels

[Marcus Bryant]

Myself, I'm not sure about this one. Consider
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ollian01d.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ahinia01d.html

Consider Tolliver and Ian's respective DLeague Seasons. Ian, considered a weak rebounder for a serious NBA prospect posted a rebound rate of 15.7%, Tolliver 13.0%. Ian produced more blocks (2.1 vs. 1.4), steals (1.7 vs. 1.2). While these stats aren't perfectly representative of D, it looks like Ian is a) a better efender, and b) Ian's defence/rebounding is considered weak. What does this make Tolliver?

On the offensive side of the ball, Ian score more (20.4 to 15.3 pts/36), at a higher percentage (.671 vs .577 TS%) and passed the ball more (1.6 vs 1.2 asst/36). The only saving grace is that Tolliver turned it over less than Ian (17.6% Ian vs. 12.2% Tolliver, TOV%).

The only thing I see is that Tolliver's 3 pt shooting has improved drastically, either that or he's on one of a hot streak. Consider the case of James Singleton when he first broke into the league with the Clippers. He shot .500 on 3's and .510 overall in his 1st season. In his second season, he only shot .214 on 3's and .366 overall. He went to Spain for a year, and signed this summer with Dallas...

um, ok, so he's not as good as Mahinmi.

[DROB4EVER]

Nice young guy to develop, will split time with Spurs and Toros

[timvp]

Haven't seen this anywhere else on the thread . . .

But the Spurs signed Rich Melzer even earlier last summer to a two-year deal.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...two_year_deal/

Yeah I saw that the Spurs signed Melzer and Jamar Smith early that year. But that was before summer league and the contracts turned out to be training camp invites with only a few G's guaranteed. Looking back on it, it looks like the Spurs did that to get Melzer to leave the Magic's summer league team and join the Spurs.

Hopefully the contract Tolliver signed only has $50K guaranteed. That'd give the Spurs good flexibility in case they need to end up waiving him.

[Solid D]

YES we signed Tolliver Twist....

I am very pleased.

...and with that nickname, I submit this pic

[ducks]

looks like a player that can play all season unlike horry
I wonder if he can shot 20% in the playoffs like horry
and get a whole 2 rebounds a game
and then if he gets waived act ticked at spurs

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

looks like a player that can play all season unlike horry
I wonder if he can shot 20% in the playoffs like horry
and get a whole 2 rebounds a game
and then if he gets waived act ticked at spurs

Why all the hate? Horry single handedly won us a championship when Duncan and Parker were in the fetal position.

Go get laid or something ducks.

[pad300]

um, ok, so he's not as good as Mahinmi.

Yeah, but the point I'm trying to make is that the weaknesses that might yet make Mahinmi bust, lack of rebounding and defense, (for which he has been criticized on this board), are significantly weaker for Tolliver. Yes, Tolliver's jumpshot is much better (and key to this signing), but Mahinmi's overall scoring (particularly in the post) is much better. I am unconvinced that Tolliver will can overcome these problems and become a useful contributor.

[ducks]

Why all the hate? Horry single handedly won us a championship when Duncan and Parker were in the fetal position.

Go get laid or something ducks.

horry hating on the spurs
spurs did not know what direction they would go until after summer league


spurs do not owe horry anything

[ducks]

Why all the hate? Horry single handedly won us a championship when Duncan and Parker were in the fetal position.

Go get laid or something ducks.

single players according to people here never win or lose anything by themselves

[nil.ball]

single players according to people here never win or lose anything by themselves

see tracy mcgrady, 35 seconds against spurs...

[Buddy Holly]

see tracy mcgrady, 35 seconds against spurs...

Without stupid fouls and missed free throws on the Spurs part, that doesn't happen.

So... he didn't do it on his own.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yeah, but the point I'm trying to make is that the weaknesses that might yet make Mahinmi bust, lack of rebounding and defense, (for which he has been criticized on this board), are significantly weaker for Tolliver. Yes, Tolliver's jumpshot is much better (and key to this signing), but Mahinmi's overall scoring (particularly in the post) is much better. I am unconvinced that Tolliver will can overcome these problems and become a useful contributor.

He's been criticized on this board by morons who expect every Spurs rookie to make the All-NBA 1st team in their first season.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

horry hating on the spurs
spurs did not know what direction they would go until after summer league


spurs do not owe horry anything

What does not knowing their direction have to do with picking up the phone and give one of the clutchest shooters in NBA post-season history a phone call?

Damn.

[Marcus Bryant]

I thought the problem was the Spurs were "too old"? Now I guess the forum conventional stupidity will be that they are 'too inexperienced'...

[Kori Ellis]

...
spurs do not owe horry anything

They owe him the common courtesy of a phone call, I would think. But I don't know if they didn't call him. I know RC said that he hadn't talked to him, but I'm not sure if the Spurs didn't talk to him at all.

[Buddy Holly]

You would have to think they told him something at the last interview.

Probably told him their goal was to get younger.

[ducks]

What does not knowing their direction have to do with picking up the phone and give one of the clutchest shooters in NBA post-season history a phone call?

Damn.

summer league just got over
spurs have better things to do
they are trying to build a championship team
was horry making sure when spurs played the lakers to tell the world that pop was > phil expecting to have spurs reserved him a spot on the roster

[ducks]

You would have to think they told him something at the last interview.

Probably told him their goal was to get younger.

most likely they said something like that
and how the summer league went

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

summer league just got over
spurs have better things to do
they are trying to build a championship team
was horry making sure when spurs played the lakers to tell the world that pop was > phil expecting to have spurs reserved him a spot on the roster

You're dumb.

The Spurs have hung their hats on treating players with respect and being a classy organization, and now you're defending them for basically telling Horry to off without so much as the courtesy of a phone call.

I can't figure out what's worse, your Manu bashing of late, or your defense of the front office in this situation.

[DPG21920]

I thought the problem was the Spurs were "too old"? Now I guess the forum conventional stupidity will be that they are 'too inexperienced'...

I think it is a fine line. You want to get younger but also have solid contributors. You can not be old because other teams will pass you by. It is a hard balancing act the Spurs F.O. has to pull.

[Marcus Bryant]

I think it is a fine line. You want to get younger but also have solid contributors. You can not be old because other teams will pass you by. It is a hard balancing act the Spurs F.O. has to pull.

Parker
Ginobili
Duncan
Bowen
Thomas

There's your experienced solid contributors.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Parker
Ginobili
Duncan
Bowen
Thomas

There's your experienced solid contributors.

ftw.