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    about the fiba approval
    here's an old article
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...6/ai_n19470834
    The contract must now be approved by FIBA and the NBA, a process that could take up to a week, said O'Connor, who seems to expect no difficulties.

    Because the contract must still be cleared by FIBA and ultimately the NBA, O'Connor declined to discuss Fesenko Wednesday other than to confirm that he had signed.

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    Then why can't Tim Duncan sign with a Greek team for twelve zillion dollars right now?
    Because there's no such thing as a zillion.

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    Because there's no such thing as a zillion.
    FTW

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    Thanks.

    And to the others, apologies accepted.

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    Thanks.

    And to the others, apologies accepted.
    I say in other post I believe there is rule about player under contract. I not think FIBA have any control over how contracts are in Europe though. if player is free agent team can do whatever contract they want. FIBA have no say in this.

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    Another perspective on this matter:

    http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=3&gl=us

    If i understand the article correctly,it says that the ULEB and FIBA Europe have agreed on the implementation of FIBA Players' Agents Regulations (which asserts that only FIBA-approved agents may work out deals involving international transfers of players) and the concept of the FIBA Arbitral Tri-bunal (FIBA regulatory board for settlement of contract disputes involving international players).

    That pretty much means that FIBA still has a say in such trade matters, doesn't it?

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    I say in other post I believe there is rule about player under contract. I not think FIBA have any control over how contracts are in Europe though. if player is free agent team can do whatever contract they want. FIBA have no say in this.
    Of course a free agent can go anywhere he wants.

    That's why they call them free agents.

    That's not the issue here.

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    Another perspective on this matter:

    http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=3&gl=us

    If i understand the article correctly,it says that the ULEB and FIBA Europe have agreed on the implementation of FIBA Players' Agents Regulations (which asserts that only FIBA-approved agents may work out deals involving international transfers of players) and the concept of the FIBA Arbitral Tri-bunal (FIBA regulatory board for settlement of contract disputes involving international players).

    That pretty much means that FIBA still has a say in such trade matters, doesn't it?
    I think two different issues. FIBA approve contract or agent just like NBA. But is no set rules for Euroleague contract. Like NBA have all the rules from CBA. Not exist in Euro basketball. I believe this is what Chumpdumper mean when he ask why team of Europe not mess with Duncan.

    if this is not what he mean I not understand what he is talk about.

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    I think two different issues. FIBA approve contract or agent just like NBA. But is no set rules for Euroleague contract. Like NBA have all the rules from CBA. Not exist in Euro basketball.
    This is not what I mean.

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    I think two different issues. FIBA approve contract or agent just like NBA. But is no set rules for Euroleague contract. Like NBA have all the rules from CBA. Not exist in Euro basketball. I believe this is what Chumpdumper mean when he ask why team of Europe not mess with Duncan.

    if this is not what he mean I not understand what he is talk about.
    If my understanding is correct, ULEB player contracts are all considered professional basketball player contracts, and thus, using the article I linked to, must be managed by FIBA-approved agents and may be subject to arbitration by the FIBA tribunal.

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    If my understanding is correct, ULEB player contracts are all considered professional basketball player contracts, and thus, using the article I linked to, must be managed by FIBA-approved agents and may be subject to arbitration by the FIBA tribunal.
    If you think about it, all those individual teams are (and always are) as a member of their respective national basketball federations whether they are participating in ULEB compe ions or not -- just as the NBA is a member of USA Basketball. In turn, all those national federations are members of FIBA, and as part of their agreement to be in FIBA, they respect the contracts that are made by member leagues of each national federation.

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    Not all teams are under FIBAs control.

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    Not all teams are under FIBAs control.
    List them.

    In the US, the ABA is not a member of USA Basketball and therefore players can leave ABA teams for the D-League and there's not much the ABA can do about it. There could be severe ramifications if they tried to pull that with a CBA player though.

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    If you think about it, all those individual teams are (and always are) as a member of their respective national basketball federations whether they are participating in ULEB compe ions or not -- just as the NBA is a member of USA Basketball. In turn, all those national federations are members of FIBA, and as part of their agreement to be in FIBA, they respect the contracts that are made by member leagues of each national federation.
    FIBA approves all NBA contracts?

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    FIBA approves all NBA contracts?
    At least in this case, they do:

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...6/ai_n19470834

    It's been a long process involving the Jazz, Fesenko and his agent, the NBA and Fesenko's Ukrainian team and FIBA.

    The Jazz had to first decide if they wanted to work with him this year or leave him in Ukraine for another year of seasoning.

    After they made the decision that they wanted him now -- obviously helped by Fesenko's promising Revue showing which Kevin O'Connor, senior vice president of basketball operations, said at the time was "a little bit of a surprise how far along he was" -- the Jazz and Levien negotiated to buy out Fesenko's Ukrainian-team contract for $500,000 plus other considerations. That process also involved the NBA.

    Since Fesenko signed his contract Wednesday, the Jazz will have the option of keeping Fesenko on their roster or sending him to their NBA Development League team, the Orem Flash, for all or part of the next season.

    The contract must now be approved by FIBA and the NBA, a process that could take up to a week, said O'Connor, who seems to expect no difficulties.

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    FIBA approves all NBA contracts?
    The only thing they really check for is if the player isn't already under contract with another league that is by whatever relation also a member of FIBA. In Fesenko's case, they had to make sure he was completely freed from his Ukrainian contract.

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    Now find where FIBA approved any non-international player.

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    Where's the list of teams that aren't somehow a part of FIBA?

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    Now find where FIBA approved any non-international player.
    Considering that the thread idea was centered around international transfers of players, I'm not sure where you're going here.

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    Where's the list of teams that aren't somehow a part of FIBA?
    Oh I got you. Every team in the world is controlled by FIBA.

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    Oh I got you. Every team in the world is controlled by FIBA.
    "Controlled" is a poor word choice, but the teams that matter (non-ABA types) have agreed to its basic rules regarding contracts and player movement.

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    "Controlled" is a poor word choice, but the teams that matter (non-ABA types) have agreed to its basic rules regarding contracts and player movement.
    Nope. Every team.

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    Nope. Every team.
    Nope. I just gave you examples.

    Please list your examples.

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    Nope. I just gave you examples.

    Please list your examples.
    I can't. Every team is controlled by FIBA.

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