For all the turds.............................

[smackdaddy11]

Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris represents mainstream Islam as much as Adolf Hitler represented mainstream Christianity.

and the world united to destroy him................................ meanwhile back in the current times, a few dozen Muslims in D.C. march against terrorism. World reaction to the threat against civilization is the same. Maybe in your fantasy land. Why is there a website dedicated to the reformation of Islam if it is what you say it is?


[QUOTE]Your first contribution to real thought. Attaboy, smackdaddy![QUOTE]

Still waiting for yours.

[E20]

I am called as a Christian to evangelize and spread the Good News. You can either reject or accept my overtures...without penalty.

This is not the case in Islam.

What I'm saying is that if you don't believe in the religon with your heart then you shouldn't even be a part of it ala-Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.

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O Prophet! Strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is ,- an evil refuge (indeed).

You can interpret this pretty diffrently in many ways because of the word order and depending on who reads and how they feel, one way you could put it- the unbelievers and the hypocrites at that time were the Quarish from Makkah who supposedly harrashed and killed Muslims and riduculed them -- Much like the Romans to the Christians.

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O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

This doesn't not correspond with yours except, say that if you are agressed then you should do something. Pretty logical.

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This because those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the Truth from their Lord: Thus does Allah set forth for men their lessons by similitudes

This verse Chap 47 line 3 does not even have any parallel to YOUR Chap 47 Verse 3, why is that?

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Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

This doesn't correspond aswell........

To come to the conclusion that 7th century Arabic can be interpeted in many different ways and depending on what people want you to read and what it really means you can get a load of bull. Like if you search for: 'Quran harsh rules'

You'll get a butt load of hate sites.

and the world united to destroy him

So what you're saying is that all the Muslims unite and kill the terrorists? So you want your average Irani male who makes 0 $ a day to go and find a gun and unite every other poor real Muslim? In a Islamic goverment the closest thing I can relate to it is a Facist goverment and if anybody really objects they'll die.

[scott]

scott, if you can put these in a context that makes Islam look peaceful...be my guest.

I never claimed I could. I'll allow someone interested in defending Islam do that.

I merely claimed I could point out an equal number of examples in the Bible as you can in the Koran.


I count that you provided 4 (and I won't get into the debate of why your Koran doesn't jive with E20's).

Here are my 4:

Matthew 10:34 - "Do not think I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword."

Matthew 25:41 - "The non-believers shall be cast into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Revelations 2:23 - "I will put her children to death."

Revelations 20:15 - "Anyone whose name is not found written in the book of life shall be thrown into the pool of fire."

And by the way... Jesus believed in the Old Testament, why don't some Christians?

Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law."

[The Ressurrected One]

I never claimed I could. I'll allow someone interested in defending Islam do that.

I merely claimed I could point out an equal number of examples in the Bible as you can in the Koran.


I count that you provided 4 (and I won't get into the debate of why your Koran doesn't jive with E20's).

Here are my 4:

Matthew 10:34 - "Do not think I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword."

Matthew 25:41 - "The non-believers shall be cast into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Revelations 2:23 - "I will put her children to death."

Revelations 20:15 - "Anyone whose name is not found written in the book of life shall be thrown into the pool of fire."

And by the way... Jesus believed in the Old Testament, why don't some Christians?

Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law."

I think you miss a major distinction between the two texts...

The New Testament scripture you cite tells about what God will do (or what will happen to those who do not repent) -- not what his followers should do. The Koran directs the followers to do what Allah commands.

But, I do see your point...and, probably a distinction that should have been made earlier in the argument.

As far as not believing the Old Testament, I never said that. Just that Jesus Christ, the Messiah prophecied in the Old Testament, brought a new covenant between man and God based on love and compassion.

[scott]

Now that I can agree on. My point is only that both texts are subject to misinterpretation, and I don't think it is fair to judge an entire faith based on the misinterpretations of crazed lunatics (whether it be Christianity, Judism, Islam, etc.).

[Mr Hanky]

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