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So was Rodman. In a MUCH more compe ive, physical, athletic, skilled, and talented era of basketball. Russell over time has become overrated player of all-time. Stick him in todays era, and there is no way he gets his sucked like he does right now.
A re ed man, Phil Jackson is.
So was Rodman. In a MUCH more compe ive, physical, athletic, skilled, and talented era of basketball. Russell over time has become overrated player of all-time. Stick him in todays era, and there is no way he gets his sucked like he does right now.
and THAT right there is what makes him special. and the fact that he could do it in pretty much EVERY way that doesnt involve scoring. we have lots of rebounding specialists, defensive specialists, energy/hustling specialists, etc... but Rodman is ALL of those things combined.
and i do agree with your point about Phil. while i think he is a very overrated strategist, I think what makes him a great coach is a skill that most unsuccessful (and even many successful) coaches lack... people skills. he knows how to deal with players very well, and is able to get in their heads in a strangely respectful way that players such as Jordan couldn't even describe, and they cant help but like the guy.
Rodman was a loser who played on a winning team in Chicago. Winners don't quit on their teams.
Rodman was all of those things combined his first few years in Detroit. After that, he became a stat for rebounds, and did pretty much nothing else.
5 rings = winner.
lol, bitter
Steve Kerr has 5 rings too as a role player.
therefore he was a winner, since he was consistently part of a winning team.
Well, I totally agree Dennis Rodman was freakishly athletic in his day - so he's a decent enough pick - but if you're going by the same criteria it's hard not to think of Lebron James in the same category. He is equally freakishly athletic - both long, quick, and incredibly strong.
IMO Lebron is the most athletically gifted player the NBA has ever seen, and is one of the most athletically gifted humans ive ever seen, period. up there with guys like Bo Jackson, Deion, etc...
Rodman wasn't incredibly athletic, he wont jump outta the park, but he is incredibly smart, and just have a knack of tipping those rebounds in his favor, he's also incredibly durable, and a good passer, he's just an all around high IQ baller, people who knocks on his IQ are re ed, he marketed himself extremely well on and off the court, and the spurs fans were like jazz fans at that time, uptight assholes, which included David Robinson, not wanting to take the blame for his crapper in 95.
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But still Rodman was a clear freak of nature, an absolute beast and Phil has every right to say what he said about him.
Winners also don't go out of their way to antagonize talented role players that can help their teams. Maybe if D-Rob wasn't such a prissy and treated Rodman with professional courtesy and respect, the Spurs would've gotten more out of him.
I met Rodman a few years back at an Orange county beach. Pretty awesome guy. He tipped the valet parker $100 to keep a good eye on his Cadillac.
That, and as someone stated, he could dominate a game without scoring a single point. Both of these feats are incredibly difficult to accomplish and it truly demonstrates Rodman's brilliance as a basketball player.
Of course, I'll never forgive him for quitting on the team in that playoff series versus Utah in '95.
at least you give him props for his skillset, instead of just blindly hating and discrediting him
Wow! If that first episode is true, I don't know how they were able to remain teammates and overcome the tension enough to maintain their level of productivity.
I don't have first hand knowledge of the first event, but the episode with the shotgun was confirmed because it was reporting in the Detroit Free Press. Unless it was a fabrication, I gave it credence.
As a Spurs fan, I can easily say Dennis Rodman's contributions to those Bull's teams are FAR MORE than that of Manu Ginobili's contributions to the Spurs dynasty. Easy. Any unbiased basketball aficionado could tell you that, locker room problems or not.
Dennis Rodman is the greatest defensive player ever, and a ing revolutionary player at that. He paved the way for players like Bruce Bowen and other "defensive specialists". Players whose intangibles are more revered on a team than just another offensive minded player who gives nothing else. If not for Rodman's style and work ethic, bum ass Ben Wallace wouldn't be getting the millions he really doesn't deserve in the first place. Now almost every team has a defensive specialist in some form or fashion and they can thank Mr. Rodman for that. Not every player, especially a defensive minded player leaves a mark like that in a game and it will be a total miscarriage of justice if he doesn't get into the HOF.
Thanks. I'm a Spurs fan first, but I DO appreciate great players and great basketball. No one in their right mind could ever deny Rodman's absolute, unquestioned brilliance as a basketball player.at least you give him props for his skillset, instead of just blindly hating and discrediting him
While I hate what he did to the Spurs, I don't hate him as a player. I'm hurt because I really believe if the chemistry had been better on that Spurs team, they would've won the le in either '94 or '95. Now Vinny Del Negro? I've got enough hate left over for him to last 10 lifetimes.
That said, I don't want to take anything away from Houston either because they were the superior team and Olajuwon was playing out of his mind.
I doubt Rodman will get consideration for the HOF, but he most definitely SHOULD. Five championships; 6-7 rebounding les, DPOY and a significant contributor to those championship teams. I believe he could very well be the greatest defensive player ever - which is why he should be in the HOF. At least he should be mentioned in the conversation.
Rodman knew his strengths and played on it.
He had different views with teammates. But I guess his previous coaches on some of the said teams made a bigger difference: Chuck Daly, Phil Jackson.
DRob didn't treat Rodman with respect? How respectful to Robinson is Rodman not showing to practice for game 5 after the team evened the series at 2-2? How respectful to Robinson is Rodman jacking up three three pointers for no reason in the first quarter of a must-win game 2 when they had already dropped the first? Rodman knew how to play to his strengths my ass. Show me exactly where Robinson disrespected Rodman or you're just pulling out of your ass.
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I've never disrespected Rodman's skillset or blindly hated him. I gave airtight reasons why Rodman was a piece of in a lot of his stops, and all anyone here can do is make excuses about him not getting an extension (at a time when he still had that year and another remaining on his contract) or him not getting along with teammates. You're not a team player if you can't put aside beefs with other players you're supposed to be working with and helping.at least you give him props for his skillset, instead of just blindly hating and discrediting him
Rodman was the first defensive specialist?
As if Michael Cooper, Maurice Lucas, Dennis Johnson, Buck Williams, etc. never existed?
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