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Well, McCain should say how it will be different.
They're running ads here where McCain says the exact same line about the economy that W did. To a T.
My question is simple: How?
Very true.
Obama >>>>>>>> Gore
Obama >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kerry
Bush made more than his share of mistakes but it's not like America made a horrible mistake re-electing him. The only thing Kerry had going for him was his last name wasn't Bush. That was about it.
Well, McCain should say how it will be different.
They're running ads here where McCain says the exact same line about the economy that W did. To a T.
My question is simple: How?
Eh, he'd probably agree with what you said.
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For one he wouldn't sign every GD bill that comes across his desk like Bush did last year.
I also believe hes alot smarter than Bush so thats a step up too
As it stands right now, I think Obama says too much and McCain doesn't say enough.
61 days and a third of that I'll be spending in the EU. Rather interested to see what their take is across the pond.
A hockey reference?Fixed.
Bush isn't near the demon everyone thinks he is, and he definitely loves America. I can't even believe people actually wonder about that. He wants to be John Wayne...that is who he is. Wannabe Cowboy/Texan to the Core...what pissed me off is when people said he was a stupid Texan. He's from Connecticut or something, he's a Yankee.
...but he is also definitely the idiot everyone thinks he is. And he is a horrible communicator which is why he's such an easy target.
But I am not kidding when I say Kerry is every bit the idiot Bush was, plus Bush had more ethics and was a smarter businessman. I watched Bush build the Texas Rangers from a de-facto minor league team to one of the most valuable baseball franchises, and he actually made them winners. And in the process he turned his 600 thousand dollar investment into probably 50 or 60 million dollars in about a 10 year period, and none of that was due to his Dad other than maybe the initial 600k investment. Kerry hasn't ever done anything like that...he married the ketchup woman.
PHOENIX, AZ—According to campaign sources, Joseph Chappel, a 38-year-old speechwriter for Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), has spent the last two weeks attempting to combine words and phrases in such a way as to not provoke a tight-jawed, dead-eyed smile from the presidential hopeful. Dreading a repeat of last month's speech to a group of businesswomen in Ohio, during which McCain followed a mention of his wife with an awkward and eerie smirk, Chappel has avoided personal anecdotes for the new speech, omitted any mention of "God" or "this great nation," and cut several phrases that had the potential to draw the 72-year-old candidate's mouth open in a horrifying display of teeth and gums.
"I've managed to make two out of every three sentences a question, but I'm not sure that will help," Chappel said shortly after deleting an introductory paragraph in which McCain welcomes the crowd. "Jesus, that [smile] makes me feel cold inside."
Chappel told reporters that if he is not able to write an appropriate, smile-free speech in time for the Republican National Convention, he will resign his position and return to his previous job, taking photographs of abused children for police reports.
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Bush going to Harvard was a great accomplishment.
It does not change the fact that he will most likely will be known as the worst president in modern history and Iraq is his legacy. If you're going to things up might as well go all out.
Obama is nothing like Bill Clinton fiscally...Bill Clinton was basically an economic genius and if anything his economic policies are conservative. Obama is basically a socialist...
He's Jimmy Carter...not Bill Clinton. Nontheless, he does seem to figure out stuff as he goes along.
Really he doesn't know about except how to get elected and he's been so busy doing that he's never actually had to do anything else.
Sometimes those unpopular Presidents turn out to be pretty important historically...John Quincy Adams may be the only President in history that rivals Bush in being villified...he was the son of a President just like Bush, and lost the popular election just like Bush...he's also the guy that made it possible for slavery to be ended in the United States by Abraham Lincoln.
America didn't the ME up...Europe and the UN did(and they want to keep it that way BTW). IF Iraq holds up Bush is the guy the broke the first stone in that alltime cluster ...
"Obama is basically a socialist."
slime, no evidence, EVER. just robotic Repug slime talking point
So then Palin is 5x stupider.....?
Only if you go to "renowned" ins utions. I haven't had any propaganda taught to me and I'll be graduating next year. Maybe it's because I took a real subject (math/science) instead of something like english/arts/business.
I'd say it's the period of time and the experience that makes so many 17-24 year olds lean so far to the left. You would think they got over being rebels after not being teenagers anymore. Nope. I get FAR more left-leaning propaganda from other students than I do professors. People asking to join their group, to read their handouts, etc, etc.
Would you necessarily know if you had any propaganda taught to you? Also, I would think that in realm of science you are taught some things that people on the right would consider to be propaganda.
Nationalized health care...community organizer...promising all the poor an asswiping state.
Sorry boutons, classic socialist beginning.
Why are you debating this as if you aren't pro socialist anyway?
Setting partisan ideologies aside for a moment, if you really want to know what is at the rotten core of "our great national problem", it's exemplified by this "debate" over whether people should even bother with a college education. I love it when people always cite Bill Gates as their example for why it's cool to not bother with an education. Bill Gates dropped out because, well, he's really ing smart - in fact, a of a lot smarter than you. And he's also an autodidact (someone who is self taught, often from reading copious amounts of books), so he's also a of a lot more knowledgeable about what is going on in the world beyond the corporate offices in Redmond.
But you keep on pretending some goddamn secret genius by not furthering your education. If nothing else, your contempt for education makes you more quintessentially American than anything else.
I still don't get why the party that is always talking about how ed up and incompetent the government is wants to put them in charge health care.....that's ignorant. It's puts our health entirely at the mercy of a government...that's insane. What really gets me is you think the Democrats are more honest than the Republicans are or something.
The government is more rife with corruption than the Insurance companies are...the insurance companies have to stay somewhat legitimate to stay in business...the government doesn't.
Goddamn you guys are stupid.
If by nationalized health care, you mean universal access to health care, then I guess you're right. What a terrible goal.
Also, I like the attacks on community organizers. Nothing like attacking those who try to help others for very little pay or recognition.
The most leftist indoctrination I ever got in college was at ACC by a French Teacher. Every other sentence was some socialist anecdote. And he was a likeable guy too. Effective as .
It is...governments are inherently corrupt. Every government, every form of government, every political party etc. You don't want them powerful dude, the more powerful they become, the less powerful we become.
Also, I like the attacks on community organizers. Nothing like attacking those who try to help others for very little pay or recognition.
Oh yeah...Obama was all in it to help others and doesn't care about recognition. That's why he stuck with it for so long.
He stayed with it long enough to register enough voters to get himself elected. Smart guy...no doubt about it.
I tell you what, you go check out how some of the great dictators of the 20th century got their start...
I am not saying Obama is that...but he is telling everyone what they want to hear, only a fool thinks he can keep all the promises he is making.
There is no ing way he is going to raise corporate taxes and create jobs at the same time...do you expect corporations are going to hire more people when they are making less money?
Do you expect them to stay here and pay the highest corporate tax rates in the world?
You tell me how that works...you think the rich are going to have more venture capital when they are paying more taxes? How does that work?
And no new industries are going to appear just because Obama wants them too either.
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He did it for three years. Is there a minimum amount of time before such service is meaningful?
The fact is that he was a graduate of an Ivy League School and took a $13,000/year job for three years helping others. You can be cynical about it all you want, but the guy had other options available to him.
Oh God. I've heard this BS used as an argument against atheism, patriotism, and increased national security measures.
If anything, you might want to look at how the American Revolution, Civil Rights Movement, and Chicano Movement got their start.
That's Corporal Adolf Hitler on the right
Josef Stalin (Commies can be militaristic, flag waving nationalists too)
Idi Amin (received his military training by the British)
Young Saddam Hussein, didn't let his failure as an assassin for the Ba'ath Party get him down...
Obama was never a member of any military or para-military force. What's your point?
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No, there's not.
And it was the fast track to starting a political career for a guy with no connections. It was smart....I'm not saying it wasn't altruistic, seems to be, but there's no doubt it was a quick and smart way to start a political career as well.The fact is that he was a graduate of an Ivy League School and took a $13,000/year job for three years helping others.
You can be cynical about it all you want, but the guy had other options available to him.
I'm not being cynical...
But I don't think Obama is some guy who got where he is because he's got a heart of gold either...this er is slick and I mean slick. That's actually one of the things I like about him. He is smart.
As timvp noted, some one with that kind of slickness can accomplish a lot.
Bill Clinton was slick, and so was Ronald Reagan. As much as Reagan's nuclear strategy is credited with ending the cold war...his dialogue and ability to make friends with Gorbachaev was probably the key.
I just don't know what Obama's going to use his slickness for...and yes, he's given me enough reasons, through his associations to where negative options are under consideration. He's got some leftist connections dude...and I don't mean harmless social ones either.
I don't like some of what I see...I don't like some of his comments and I don't like some of his wife's comments either, they don't fit with my view of patriotism.
At the same time...I've noticed that he is willing to change his stance and move to the middle to Americas benefit...like he did on Iraq after visiting it.
The thing is...he makes too many promises to too many people and I know he can't keep all of them. I just haven't figured out why he's doing it yet...naivete or something else.
But he is definitely making promises he can't keep...
Oh God. I've heard this BS used as an argument against atheism, patriotism, and increased national security measures.
If anything, you might want to look at how the American Revolution, Civil Rights Movement, and Chicano Movement got their start.
And how many of those were started by guys that were running for President a decade later?
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