that's what i'm asking. if the middle class is shrinking in number then how are the numbers of rich and poor being affected?
Here we go again. I've posted on this subject on so many boards and went round and round with Yonivore on this. My belief is MY belief and I cannot force my views upon a woman. I would never approve of my daughter's wanting an abortion. I would choose life but I'm not and never will be a woman who has to make that decision.
I'm sure this won't be the last time I'm asked that question and not the last time that someone doesn't understand, and I understand that.
And that is why 20 years from now, those who think Obama will change their lives will still be living a life; while those who everyone wants to punish will still be wealthy.
Those who inherit money and never learn how to make it on their own are weak (unless they become politicians). Those who started from the bottom and learned how to make it, will always know what it takes to make it no matter the current living situation they find themselves in. The Global Economy is a real . It is on each person in this country to adapt. That is reality.
I recognize that not every Obama supporter is a welfare recipient. What I don't recognize is why every Obama supporter feels that the wealthy should flip a majority of the bill for actual welfare recipients?
A while back I saw a poll on some website that like 10,000 people responded to. The question was "how do you think millionaires made their fortunes". 96% of the respondants said through inheritence. That means that 96% of the responders on this poll have no ing clue about economics, life, or hard ing work, which is what in my opinion it takes to be rich.
I'm not subs uting either. I'm stating my belief, that if you work ing hard, you too can eventually be raped by Obama and company.
are you serious?
I do too but that doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who work their asses off working 2 or even 3 jobs who are still struggling. Yeah, they may not have that college degree or the ability to work themselves up the ladder of success. It is easy to say "If I can do it so can you" but as much as I believe in hard work the reality is that there are people struggling out there. Not everyone's wages are increasing with the higher prices of food, gas and utilities.
But I hear ya.
"tax the out of rich people" instead of "raise their taxes and give the middle-class tax cut" relief. Yes, those poor, poor, rich people, they sure have had it hard the past 8 years. How dare we make life a tiny bit less lucrative than them.
For the record, I don't support taxes on corporations because corporations don't pay taxes, they pass them on to their consumers.
Democrats are going to take your hard-earned tax dollars and give them to welfare cheats. Geez, what year is this? Can the GOP ever move past the same old tired cliches?We then need to give this money to people wo don't pay any taxes, so they can use it to send their kids to college.
I also agree with Obama that the government can run the health care system WAYY better than the private sector can. A great example is the Cuban health care system. Anyone who hasn't seen Michael Moore's propaganda film, I mean do entary, Sicko, should go out and rent it immediately. [/QUOTE]
Typical. Barack Obama = Michael Moore. Single payer system = communism. I mean, it's not like health care is even an issue in this election since the the private sector has done such a great job. Let's continue to pay for poor people to use the emergency room as their primary care physician and let the taxpayers pick up the tab.
I thought my sarcasm was pretty obvious.
God love ya, DarrinS!!!
Lots of wealth is inherited but a lot is self-made. I try not to deal in absolutes.
I'm just gonna go ahead and make a quip about something I know nothing about because I'm a edgy, witty guy. Yeah, a $95,000 a year job is certainly not a good gig at all.
Politicians don't even pay into/receive social security right? Why should I have to, if I sacrifice to fund a rothIRA.
Obama says he wants everyone to have the same health care as their political officials, except you will have to wait in line.
The government has already proved numerous times they can not run the country as a business because they do not have to be accountable. Pile on the bureaucracy and it is all a cluster- .
Well, if you're that good, go get another job.
But don't try to make too much more than that, because you'll move into a slightly higher tax bracket and it won't be worth it.
I don't think people should be penalized for being industrious.
Well, Congress created Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, and look how well they've done. Oh, snap.
I'm picking up what you're putting down here Chalupa, I really am. But take the construction business for example. A hard working individual with absolutely no construction experience can go out to a job as a 'helper' and earn about $13 an hour plus time and a half overtime on a 60-70 hour workweek. This takes absolutely no skills whatsoever other then hard work and comes in around $50,000 a year (not bad). Within two years, if that individual is WORKING HARD, he/she can become a journeyman and bump that wage up to $20/hour (that's on the low side). Now you are talking $72,800 per year, just for WORKING HARD (and not being a complete idiot).
It takes nothing in this country to accomplish the above, other then hard ing work.
I realize that this is just one example, but my point is, hard work can get you a of a lot further in this country then the government will ever get you.
The more people make the higher they live which is fine by me. I just don't get it when people who make way more than I do get bailed out of their mortgage and I'm working my ass to pay my mortgage because I wasn't stupid enough to fall for the adjustable mortgage.
True but a helping hand never hurt...well you know what I mean. And I know some construction guys who don't make near that money. And it is easier said than done.
You're right, it's all so simple. When you lose a job, it's just a matter of getting another one that is just as good and pays just as much, or , just one that helps you get just get by and make ends meet. My dad has no one but himself to blame for cir stances beyond his control.
That shouldn't happen.
I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of defaulted mortgages aren't by wealthy individuals.
jobs, education, heath care
None of these things are guaranteed by the Cons ution or our Bill of Rights. Unfortunately, many Americans think they are (or should be).
Personally, I still think the best way to currently help the poor is to make the Payroll tax progressive. Eliminate employee share on the first $15k earned, have a reduced rate up to 50k, then full rate on everything else (no cap). Leave employer share at the same rate for everything but remove the cap.
This would end up being a near $.50 an hour net increase for the poorest members, while making it less appetizing for companies to overpay for executives and the like which should reduce the income gap.
I know those guys too, and if they'd just open their ears and eyes a little to the opportunities around them they'd realize just how well they could do.
Building homes and commercial buildings ain't compared to industrial work. On the last job I was on the rigging foreman grossed about three times more then I did when all was said and done. Sure I get to sit in an office, but that dude had it pretty good as well.
I don't want a permanent welfare society that is dependent upon en lements, but there DOES need to be a social safety net for hard-working people that play by the rules and occasionally run into cir stances beyond their control. Just because somebody else once scammed the system for a few middling benefits doesn't mean I should be cut off from temporary unemployment benefits. And no, soup kitchens and private church charities shouldn't be the lone source of a safety net.
Why not have that reduced rate up to 150k? Or 200k?
How much money is too much money? Evidently, to you it is arbitrarily at 50k.
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