Whottt getting his ass handed to him even more thoroughly than usual...
I'm disappointed whottt
Seriously though, what the happened to the whottt that used to make sense at least??
Intrade has similar numbers. Obama 338 McCain 200
Obama's % to win has been going up steadily.
I am sure it will vary a bit up until the election, and there certainly is room for surprises, but the odds against McCain seem to be stacking up.
Much to whottt's dismay.
I wonder what he will say on November 9th?
"It wuz rigged. Massive fraud on an epic scale..."
I am sure he knows he is wrong and is working on a whiney tirade even as we type.
Today's polls
McCain is just behind EVERYWHERE he needs to be ahead. At this point Obama could completely ignore OH and FL and still easily find enough EVs to win because he's incredibly solid in all the Kerry states+IA+NM and simply needs another 6 EVs to pass 270. He has so many routes to that outcome.
That seemed to be the thinking from the CNN guy (can't remember his name) months ago: Obama had so many ways to get the magic number.
The problem for the Republicans is that he has money and resources to go after quite a few of them. Given his campaigns ability to organize, and the resources to spend, I would not want to bet against him.
I wonder if whottt has some money to back up his big mouth?
I would pony up a good $500 or so.
He fell in love with Bible e.
Obama is seriously looking like he will cruise to victory. His debate strategy last night was flawless. It'd take something drastic to stop the Obama train. Last night McCain needed a spark or some sign of life but Obama's strategy didn't allow it.
I also like how he abandoned almost every Obama/Biden tactic I was questioning. He didn't try to paint McCain worse than Bush. He didn't step anywhere that could be a slippery slope. Even though Obama supporters disagreed with me following the VP debate, I don't think many are disagreeing now when Obama cut out everything I was complaining about . . .
Obama is like the '99 Spurs in the playoffs. He's concentrating on playing defense, winding down the shot clock and getting good shots offensively. But if faced with an overaggressive trap or press, he doesn't hesitate in finding the open man and finishing with authority at the rim.
NBA can't come soon enough...Obama is seriously looking like he will cruise to victory. His debate strategy last night was flawless. It'd take something drastic to stop the Obama train. Last night McCain needed a spark or some sign of life but Obama's strategy didn't allow it.
I also like how he abandoned almost every Obama/Biden tactic I was questioning. He didn't try to paint McCain worse than Bush. He didn't step anywhere that could be a slippery slope. Even though Obama supporters disagreed with me following the VP debate, I don't think many are disagreeing now when Obama cut out everything I was complaining about . . .
Obama is like the '99 Spurs in the playoffs. He's concentrating on playing defense, winding down the shot clock and getting good shots offensively. But if faced with an overaggressive trap or press, he doesn't hesitate in finding the open man and finishing with authority at the rim.
! I already him to the 99 Spurs in this very thread!!!Obama is seriously looking like he will cruise to victory. His debate strategy last night was flawless. It'd take something drastic to stop the Obama train. Last night McCain needed a spark or some sign of life but Obama's strategy didn't allow it.
I also like how he abandoned almost every Obama/Biden tactic I was questioning. He didn't try to paint McCain worse than Bush. He didn't step anywhere that could be a slippery slope. Even though Obama supporters disagreed with me following the VP debate, I don't think many are disagreeing now when Obama cut out everything I was complaining about . . .
Obama is like the '99 Spurs in the playoffs. He's concentrating on playing defense, winding down the shot clock and getting good shots offensively. But if faced with an overaggressive trap or press, he doesn't hesitate in finding the open man and finishing with authority at the rim.
VERB! I already him to the 99 Spurs in this very thread!!!
What are we doing, a mad lib?
Man, that would be funny...
A political forum mad lib, using a story about the election, or a rant from some commentator.
By the by Politico is giving a crushing defeat to McCain.
Obama 364, McCain 174.
Damn it, I that post.! I already him to the 99 Spurs in this very thread!!!
I just want to say that I was wrong, timvp. I know I said that I wouldn't mind if Obama used dirty smears against McCain if it came to it, but upon further reflection, I think I was missing the forest for the trees.Obama is seriously looking like he will cruise to victory. His debate strategy last night was flawless. It'd take something drastic to stop the Obama train. Last night McCain needed a spark or some sign of life but Obama's strategy didn't allow it.
I also like how he abandoned almost every Obama/Biden tactic I was questioning. He didn't try to paint McCain worse than Bush. He didn't step anywhere that could be a slippery slope. Even though Obama supporters disagreed with me following the VP debate, I don't think many are disagreeing now when Obama cut out everything I was complaining about . . .
Obama is like the '99 Spurs in the playoffs. He's concentrating on playing defense, winding down the shot clock and getting good shots offensively. But if faced with an overaggressive trap or press, he doesn't hesitate in finding the open man and finishing with authority at the rim.
First, the Dems don't do smears well. And in this environment, they're not having the usual effect for the GOP. Bill Ayers isn't going to win the election for John McCain, any more than he won the primary for Hillary. The only equivalent I could think of is if Obama went after McCain's POW ordeal. How you conduct yourself as a candidate says a lot about how you would govern as a President. If Obama were willing to go THAT dirty, it would make me seriously reassess what was so attractive about his candidacy to begin with.
That doesn't mean that Obama shouldn't aggressively rebut this crap, or that he should shy away from attacks on McCain's stands on the issues and his policy positions. But to answer your question the second time, I would rather Obama lose running a decent campaign than win dirty.
Interesting and very well stated
Even if McCain wins this way, I think it will be a phyrric victory in that it would seriously hinder his ability to govern effectively. The Democrats in Congress and half the population would never forgive him for it, and we'd be treated to the same polarization and the same bitter partisanship as the last eight years.Interesting and very well stated
I think Obama would be affected by a similar dynamic if he went that route...and I think it's telling that he is promoting a message of inclusion towards people that are not naturally inclined to support a Democrat, regardless of what leftie blogs spew about Palin. McCain and Palin, on the other hand, have begun to actively stoke racism and xenophobia. They are dividing the electorate into "us" and "them," and I think people are sick of that.
Where and how?
No you aren't...you're always waiting to step out of the peanut gallery and snipe. It's who and what you are.I'm disappointed whottt
I make perfect sense...I said the polls are biased and weighted in favor of the crats(and 90% of them are). I said they were assuming McCain was getting the backlash from the economic crisis...which many of the polls, including Rasmussen, did. By increasing the party id of the crats just baed on the belief Americans will blame Bush mainly for the economic crisis.
Seriously though, what the happened to the whottt that used to make sense at least??
I said the polls were due to the economic crisis(and not anything Obama was doing), I pointed out they were all over the place, I've pointed out the flaws in just about all of them, and I said I wasn't going to think about taking themt seriously until the dust had settled. I don't see how I got owned there.
In fact I predict Obama's numbers on average will stay in decline until election day. That's pretty much what happened with him in the primaries.
We just might have seen and said goodbye to the biggest lead Obama will have. That's my feeling. But I still don't trust the polls enough right now to say that for certain. I mean he might get one more bump this week but I do predict his numbers will be down by election day from where they are now. Significantly.
Dude...when they start showing consistent trend and not one poll showing OBama up by 19-20 points while another says they are tied or has McCain up by1 , or IOW, when I can understand the results based on what's going on in the campaign, I'll stop dismissing them. I'll still say Obama is polling high though even once they calm down...becuse he already has a record of polling high from the primaries. I mean when the dude loses in a state he has a polling lead in, and loses by 9 freaking points like he did in Cali, or when he has an 8 point lead in NH and loses...that's called polling high. He may not be polling high in every state...but he's definitely polled high enough in the recent past to be skeptical about.
And since it's 1-5 Democrats that are saying they won't vote for him because of race, and Democrats are also the ones most likely to give a PC answer...I'm gonna say he's probably polling high if anywhere in the Blue States won by Hillary....like he did in NH, and California.
Last edited by whottt; 10-09-2008 at 01:39 AM.
You've shown time and time again how little you know about polls and how you cherry pick what you want to believe out of them. There's no need to do it again, Whottt.
Couple of early morning notes while I eat my cereal.....
Zogby's update for the day is out already, the 1.9+ spread for Obama yesterday has grown to 3.6 today.
There is also another PA poll out this morning from Strategic Vision which shows Obama up by 14. For all the talk about how erratic - allegedly - the polls are, this is the fifth poll in a row that shows a double digit lead for Obama. PA is no longer a battleground state.
My cereal tastes extra good this morning.
McCain might as well surrender PA as well.
Unless this poll is inaccurate as all the Repub's think the polls are these days....
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
The biggest poll of the day is the Dow Jones Industrial. Everyday it drops is another day Ayers means jack ing .
The Dow is dropping because of Ayers!
More proof that the "polls are all over the place" logic is severely flawed.
These are just the national trackers, but since well before October started they're all consistently putting Obama at over 48% aside from one occurrence.
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