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    Neither was T-Mac, unless he had his eye firmly on a high preseason seed for the regular season.
    So your saying if you we're playing ball and someone put their fingers in your face you are definitely going to stay calm. I am not saying you wouldn't because I don't know, but I am confident that most people are going to react to being disrespected like that.

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    ask your ing coach if you play basketball, no1 is asking you to start a fight but let the other person know it isn't ok to ing have a finger on your forehead, thats ing condescending
    ing ers

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    You are good at what you do.

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    So your saying if you we're playing ball and someone put their fingers in your face you are definitely going to stay calm. I am not saying you wouldn't because I don't know, but I am confident that most people are going to react to being disrespected like that.
    If I were playing ball and someone did that I'd probably lay their ass out, but I'm a nobody and I don't get paid a cent to play basketball. On a street court, I could do that, step over the guy and wouldn't even have to stop playing. If I were making a zillion dollars, just coming back from an injury and playing a team full of dip s like the Celtics in a ing meaningless exhibiltion game I'd be smart enough to laugh when a scrub got that into it and tried to lure me into doing something dumb.

    I know he's your guy and you have to defend him, but seriously, TMac lowers himself by giving someone like that the time of day.

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    If I were playing ball and someone did that I'd probably lay their ass out, but I'm a nobody and I don't get paid a cent to play basketball. On a street court, I could do that, step over the guy and wouldn't even have to stop playing. If I were making a zillion dollars, just coming back from an injury and playing a team full of dip s like the Celtics in a ing meaningless exhibiltion game I'd be smart enough to laugh when a scrub got that into it and tried to lure me into doing something dumb.

    I know he's your guy and you have to defend him, but seriously, TMac lowers himself by giving someone like that the time of day.
    it!!! I'll be totally honest for about three sentences. You guys are absolutely right in saying a star should curve his anger and put the team ahead of his emotions because the bottom line is winning. The best scenario would have been for T-mac to walk away, and have Von Wafer mysteriously leave the lane open for House about 10 minutes later. A Joey Dorsey Elbow to the face would have been much more effective, and sent a louder message. Now back to my irrational defense of T- Mac.

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    A player that taunted Dirk, and didn't knocked the out like some people think should happen during altercations like that.
    I nominate this for sentence of the year! Please teach us your ways.

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    it!!! I'll be totally honest for about three sentences. You guys are absolutely right in saying a star should curve his anger and put the team ahead of his emotions because the bottom line is winning. The best scenario would have been for T-mac to walk away, and have Von Wafer mysteriously leave the lane open for House about 10 minutes later. A Joey Dorsey Elbow to the face would have been much more effective, and sent a louder message. Now back to my irrational defense of T- Mac.
    Agreed 1000%.

    That's all I been saying. Let the role playing goons take care of the . When you are a franchise player, you have a different standard to worry about when it comes to like this. What happens if T-Mac even without fighting but moves towards Eddie House, someone holds him back and he dislocates his shoulder? What if he does throw a punch and breaks his hand? Sure, those things are unlikely to happen. But, do you want to risk it if you're T-Mac or the Houston Rockets? no. Let Joey Dorsey or Chuck Hayes lay out Eddie House on another play. Let Ron Artest put Bill Walker to the ground. That's the reason they're there, to protect Yao and T-Mac and enforce .

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    Tracy McGrady, whatever people may say or write about him, has NOTHING to prove to anyone that wants to get in his face on the basketball court. Wanna make a statement if you're TMac? Come back during the next regular season game and drop 45 on them.

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    Agreed 1000%.

    That's all I been saying. Let the role playing goons take care of the . When you are a franchise player, you have a different standard to worry about when it comes to like this. What happens if T-Mac even without fighting but moves towards Eddie House, someone holds him back and he dislocates his shoulder? What if he does throw a punch and breaks his hand? Sure, those things are unlikely to happen. But, do you want to risk it if you're T-Mac or the Houston Rockets? no. Let Joey Dorsey or Chuck Hayes lay out Eddie House on another play. Let Ron Artest put Bill Walker to the ground. That's the reason they're there, to protect Yao and T-Mac and enforce .
    I understand what you have been saying, but I think there is a grey area between not doing anything to retaliate and fighting.

    I don't think he should have hit him, but I don't see any problem in getting in the guy's face if he disrespects you, even if you are a superstar.

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    Any man that lets another man walk up to him in any situation and allow another man to point his finger in his face and shove him, he has lost all respect from that person.
    Why does Tracy McGrady need the respect of a scrub again?

    Reporter: Hey, Tracy, how do you feel about being suspended for your first three games after you come back from your injury?

    McGrady: At least that dude from the Celtics respects me now.

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    Any man that lets another man walk up to him in any situation and allow another man to point his finger in his face and shove him, he has lost all respect from that person. At that point, you commence to whooping his ass... thats if you want to gain that respect back. Only a pussy would have faulted Tmac for knocking House's teeth out. I dont care if its pre-season or not... Cooper said it best...

    What grown man who is sure of himself and is a multi-millionaire worries about being viewed as a pussy?

    T-Mac literally knocks Eddie House's teeth out and gets a 15 (regular season) game suspension. And, the Rockets miss the playoffs by 1 game. T-Mac is no pussy. Hooray! He's just a stupid mother er. That's great. Better a dumb that costs his team than a pussy, right?

    Like I said, let your teammates you can afford to lose to suspension and injury get your back. You're a ing franchise player. Your team doesn't need to lose you for any amount of games especially when you're going to be injured for 10-15 games anyway at some point during the season.

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    What Dirk should have done was told everyone on the Mavericks to get him the ing ball for the rest of that game, if not the rest of the series. The fact that his team didn't win is what makes him a pussy, not the fact that he didn't break David West's jaw.

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    I understand what you have been saying, but I think there is a grey area between not doing anything to retaliate and fighting.

    I don't think he should have hit him, but I don't see any problem in getting in the guy's face if he disrespects you, even if you are a superstar.
    If it was just talk, fine. T-Mac moved forward and actually ed his arm back before Paul Pierce got in the way. If T-Mac just kept jawing calling him a or some like that, fine. He wasn't just going to talk. He was about to get physical. You and I both could see that.

    And, again with the respect/disrespect . Who the cares if Eddie House respects T-Mac? Do you think T-Mac is/was seriously concerned whether Eddie House respects him or not? ing on Eddie House by dropping 20 points in the quarter. What the is Eddie House going to do? It's Eddie ing House.

    This same happens with Rip Hamilton all the time the last couple seasons, him trying to be a hard ass on the court. I think Rip Hamilton is a ing dumbass for it too.

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    What grown man who is sure of himself and is a multi-millionaire worries about being viewed as a pussy?

    T-Mac literally knocks Eddie House's teeth out and gets a 15 (regular season) game suspension. And, the Rockets miss the playoffs by 1 game. T-Mac is no pussy. Hooray! He's just a stupid mother er. That's great. Better a dumb that costs his team than a pussy, right?

    Like I said, let your teammates you can afford to lose to suspension and injury get your back. You're a ing franchise player. Your team doesn't need to lose you for any amount of games especially when you're going to be injured for 10-15 games anyway at some point during the season.
    That was totally Pussy of Dirk to stand there and just take that . He should have taken his hand and grabbed David West's head and pushed it backwards hard! As it is, David West went home that night and watched him punk that ass Dirk about 20 times on Sportscenter and probably has tapes of the incident that he can watch for the rest of his life

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    That was totally Pussy of Dirk to stand there and just take that . He should have taken his hand and grabbed David West's head and pushed it backwards hard! As it is, David West went home that night and watched him punk that ass Dirk about 20 times on Sportscenter and probably has tapes of the incident that he can watch for the rest of his life

    Do you really think Dirk is concerned about anyone thinking he's a pussy?

    If he does, then Dirk is mentally weak too.

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    You missing the point View. Its not about House or Walker being scrubs. Its about letting people know that you are not about to be punked or bullied by no one. Raja Bell did it best!!! Kobe jammed him with an elbow to the face... guess what mother er... come meet this clothseline. It doesnt matter what your status is in the league. Jordan was about to knock the out of Danny Ferry, and Barkley have destroyed many scrubs in his day. You have to stand your ground in a contact sport. Even if you have to go for tat, then you do that, but you dont walk away after someone just shoved you in the face.

    And the fines that these guys get are nothing compared to what they make.
    Raja Bell is a great example. He did it during the game. And, it was the playoffs, where giving himself up in exchange for the Lakers giving up Kobe Bryant in an ejection/suspension scenario completely favored his team. That's smart. Raja Bell isn't a franchise superstar player.

    And, Jordan and Barkley played in an era where if you threw a punch or got in a scrap, you weren't going to get suspended for 10-25 games. Different NBA. Not a good analogy. Heck, a player might not even get ejected from a game for fighting back then.

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    Is there a rule against spitting in a mother ers face.

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    You are rationalizing it with the normal reaction of the average person. T-Mac is not the average person. He's a superstar franchise player. That's the point. He has to know he can't put himself in a position that could really hurt his team. This whole time I been talking about T-Mac wanting to fight. Now, if it's about T-Mac just pushing Eddie House's hand out of the way and off his face, that's fine. I don't disagree with that. I'm talking about his reaction to walk aggressively towards House in a manner that implied he wanted to throw down. That's what I've been talking about. But, when you are T-Mac, you don't put yourself in that position. You just don't. You can't have that natural reaction because of who you are.

    And, it has nothing to do with fear. Your JJ Stokes example doesn't even apply. I'm saying T-Mac shouldn't respond so he won't get caught up in an injury or suspension. Not because he's afraid to fight. You keep trying to bring up analogies that don't apply to this scenario.

    Here's where T-Mac getting in a fight would work. It's the NBA Finals between the Houston Rockets and the Cleveland Cavaliers, and LeBron and T-Mac get into a little smack talk. Then LeBron delivers a hard foul on T-Mac. That's when T-Mac can get into it, because the Rockets losing T-Mac for the game and/or another game suspension is worth it if the Cavs have to lose LeBron. That's when it's fine, when it's smart.

    When it's a pre-season game that means nothing and scrubs are trying to bait T-Mac, it's dumb. Period.

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    Damn you "rox" fans are some hypocritical gots

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    Any man that lets another man walk up to him in any situation and allow another man to point his finger in his face and shove him, he has lost all respect from that person. At that point, you commence to whooping his ass... thats if you want to gain that respect back. Only a pussy would have faulted Tmac for knocking House's teeth out. I dont care if its pre-season or not... Cooper said it best...
    My heart agrees with you, but to be honest Jam is right. I expect that reaction from Micheal Cooper. When he played the fine for some fights was as low as $100 dollars and you were playing the next night. If that were the case these days then by all means whip his little mouse ass. I don't think Eddie House wouldn't raise his hand to anyone if the punishments were that slight for ing him up.

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    That was totally Pussy of Dirk to stand there and just take that . He should have taken his hand and grabbed David West's head and pushed it backwards hard! As it is, David West went home that night and watched him punk that ass Dirk about 20 times on Sportscenter and probably has tapes of the incident that he can watch for the rest of his life

    I think it's pretty pussy of a player to let a scrub ass player like Eddie House get into your head to the point of wanting to fight him...in a preseason game.

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    Look guys... basketball is not only a physical game but a mental one.

    I have had some pussy moments too, and i can assure you that once guys see you won't do anything back, they'll push it, you have to stand your ground, i can't stress that enough.

    No one is asking tmac to get physical, but he needs to get into that guy's face and tell him that its not ok.

    You have to remember, its not just Eddie House, the entire Celtics and Rockets team saw what House did.....how would you think they would feel if tmac just stood there and took it? You think it would assure the rockets of the kind of leader tmac is? Don't you think the celts would gain confidence like that?


    Lets get one thing straight though, we are not asking tmac to punch him in the face or anything but if you honestly feel he should have gone Dirk...i'm speechless. Look at the white dude in my sig, if tmac didn't do anything he would turn into that guy in a couple of yrs.

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    Look guys... basketball is not only a physical game but a mental one.

    I have had some pussy moments too, and i can assure you that once guys see you won't do anything back, they'll push it, you have to stand your ground, i can't stress that enough.

    No one is asking tmac to get physical, but he needs to get into that guy's face and tell him that its not ok.

    You have to remember, its not just Eddie House, the entire Celtics and Rockets team saw what House did.....how would you think they would feel if tmac just stood there and took it? You think it would assure the rockets of the kind of leader tmac is? Don't you think the celts would gain confidence like that?


    Lets get one thing straight though, we are not asking tmac to punch him in the face or anything but if you honestly feel he should have gone Dirk...i'm speechless. Look at the white dude in my sig, if tmac didn't do anything he would turn into that guy in a couple of yrs.

    You're right, he definately should've beat the out of House (which he probably would've had a hard time doing that anyways, since he had problems with Bobby Jackson) and got a 15 game suspension causing his team to miss the playoffs.That would be the only thing worse than his usual 1st round exits.

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    You're right, he definately should've beat the out of House (which he probably would've had a hard time doing that anyways, since he had problems with Bobby Jackson) and got a 15 game suspension causing his team to miss the playoffs.That would be the only thing worse than his usual 1st round exits.
    Go play with yourself clown.

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    Go play with yourself clown.

    By not responding with an adequate answer, you're basically saying I'm right. thanks.

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