Your Vote, Your Reasons

[Extra Stout]

I think Rasho Nesterovic might actually be the anti-Christ. I'm sure he's well-spoken in Slovenian; he's tall and handsome; there are thousands of people who come to watch him everytime he performs. Until it's proven otherwise, I'm fundamentally convinced that Rasho Nesterovic is simply waiting to reveal his real self.

I think one of the Bible Codes when interpreted properly calls the Anti-Christ "the tyrant with the blue lips." Nostradamus said something similar.

[Shelly]

Well, according to the Bible, the hate-filled person who thinks he can judge your eternal destiny gets the "talk to the hand" treatment himself from the IC/XC.

On the other hand, I get a LOT more of the "Admit I'm going to ! Admit I'm going to , you mindless sheep!" treatment than the "As long as you aren't throwing it in my face, whatever" treatment. When the former say it themselves, what's left to admit?

What does Tlong have do with all of this????

[ElNono]

I don't have all the answers. I may not even have most of them.

All I can tell you is that Jesus is the Savior of the world- the only one that has existed and the only one that will ever exist.

Futhermore, if you really want real and lasting positive change in your lives, this country, and in the world, you all need to look to Jesus- not to President Bush, not to Senator McCain, and not Senator Obama, Oprah, or Dr. Phil.

Anyone who claims that they can fix your life for you is a liar. The best any man can do is lead his fellowmen to Jesus- the ONE and ONLY Answer.

I tell you all this not to judge any of you but because I care about what happens to you and I have a responsibility before God to tell you the Truth as it is written in the Bible.

I regret that this conversation ever turned to Senator Obama and the possibility of him being the Anti Christ because what matters most and is ultimately most effective is to exalt the Truth, not wasting time contemplating.

You are exactly all that is wrong with part of this country. And it's not your religious belief. It's the fact that you have gone completely irrational that is the problem.
You don't think by yourself anymore. You live in fear. You fear that Obama is the Anti-Christ. You fear that that you might choose incorrectly. You fear that you might anger your god. You fear that anything non-christian might ruin your world. All your fears are intrinsically bound by one common denominator: You no longer think rationally. You are intellectually dishonest with yourself.
I'm being absolutely serious when I say you should seek professional help.
You might be the most polite and sincere person in the world, but you're in dire need of help. The sooner, the better.

[angel_luv]

What does Tlong have do with all of this????

Poor T-Long.

[peewee's lovechild]

My primary concern is electing someone who loves, listens to, and obeys Jesus because when you seek Jesus first, all things are added to you.
( Matthew 6:33)

George W. Bush accepted jesus into his life as his savior.

He now has the blood of thousands on his hands.

Is this what Jesus wanted?

Can you answer that?

George W. Bush had great charisma when he ran for President. The populace loved him. He said all the right christian things to get elected.

There's been nothing but bloodshed during his Presidency.

Is that not your definition of the Anti-Christ?

[peewee's lovechild]

If you're insinuating Hiltler was a Christian then you need to spend less time on liberal blogs and more time in real history books.

He had ties and pacts with the Vatican.

Read a history book you ignorant son of a .

[TheMadHatter]

you SpursTalk! I haven't been able to get any work done the past hour because I've been laughing my ass off at this thread. Seriously, Findog you comparing Jordan to the anti-christ had my sides hurting for a good 10 minutes.

I would just like to point out to those of you out there who wonder how Islamic children can grow up and become suicide bombers, it's because of religious indoctrination. Angel Luv is no different than the products of these imams in Pakistan in her indoctrination of Christianity. While I'm sure she is a nice and wonderful person, her views are extremely dangerous and furthermore people with her views should never come close to any position of power in this country. I'd further argue that this country would be better off if people like her didn't vote.

I think a rational observer of the Christian faith would come to the conclusion that it is for the most part based on fiction. I don't want to sound dismissive, but there is no evidence to suggest to me that the stories in the Bible are anything more than a fairytale. Jesus may have existed historically, but we have zero evidence or proof that he was the Son of God or anything of the like. What was written in the Bible was written many many years later by men, and further what exists in the Bible today was decided by a Council of men. They purposefully threw out texts that didn't agree with the image of God they wanted to portray. This just doesn't strike me as the way God would go about revealing himself to the world.

Further if the word of God exists in the Bible, explain to me why this piece of text is in there?

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

It's either God's word in its entirety or it's not God's word. You can't pick and choose what is God's word if God intended for man to write down his word thousands of years ago.

[Trainwreck2100]

George W. Bush accepted jesus into his life as his savior.

He now has the blood of thousands on his hands.

Is this what Jesus wanted?

Can you answer that?

George W. Bush had great charisma when he ran for President. The populace loved him. He said all the right christian things to get elected.

There's been nothing but bloodshed during his Presidency.

Is that not your definition of the Anti-Christ?

That first year was ok

[Extra Stout]

So, for the billions of people that have lived and die, and continue to do so, without accepting this jesus character . . . they're ed?

What kind of sadistic god is this thing you worship?

The problem with you people is that you want to belong to a "Members Only" club.

Your type of mentality, as well as those of your ilk, is what keeps humanity from progressing.

Summary of biblical teaching:

People who hear the Gospel and reject it: excluded

People who hear the Gospel, and only nominally accept it, like one would a coupon or free ticket: excluded

People who hear the Gospel, and accept it, but later decide they like wordly pleasures better, or think they can have it both ways: excluded (gulp)

People who hear the Gospel, accept it, and then actually follow what Jesus told them to do: included

People who never hear the Gospel: indeterminate

[peewee's lovechild]

I appreciate the link. Thank you.

Since I provided the link, and it gives proof that Obama has accepted Jesus as his savior . . . will you admit that he can't possibly be the Anti-Christ?

He satisfied your need to have him say he accepted Jesus as his savior?

Will you do it and stop this idiocy, or will just spew what your pastor has made you believe?

[tp2021]

McCain told Beliefnet, "I've sort of evolved in my religious faith. And I think probably because of my failings and mistakes in life I'm a much bigger believer in redemption. I really believe that redemption is a very important part of our religion. I'm much more of a believer in a loving God, a personal God. I'm much less inclined in every way to believe in a vengeful God."

What's this I see?

[nkdlunch]

you SpursTalk! I haven't been able to get any work done the past hour because I've been laughing my ass off at this thread. Seriously, Findog you comparing Jordan to the anti-christ had my sides hurting for a good 10 minutes.

I would just like to point out to those of you out there who wonder how Islamic children can grow up and become suicide bombers, it's because of religious indoctrination. Angel Luv is no different than the products of these imams in Pakistan in her indoctrination of Christianity. While I'm sure she is a nice and wonderful person, her views are extremely dangerous and furthermore people with her views should never come close to any position of power in this country. I'd further argue that this country would be better off if people like her didn't vote.

I think a rational observer of the Christian faith would come to the conclusion that it is for the most part based on fiction. I don't want to sound dismissive, but there is no evidence to suggest to me that the stories in the Bible are anything more than a fairytale. Jesus may have existed historically, but we have zero evidence or proof that he was the Son of God or anything of the like. What was written in the Bible was written many many years later by men, and further what exists in the Bible today was decided by a Council of men. They purposefully threw out texts that didn't agree with the image of God they wanted to portray. This just doesn't strike me as the way God would go about revealing himself to the world.

Further if the word of God exists in the Bible, explain to me why this piece of text is in there?



It's either God's word in its entirety or it's not God's word. You can't pick and choose what is God's word if God intended for man to write down his word thousands of years ago.

This is exactly why I said I now better understand why the Holocaust and Inquisition came to happen. It is because of people like angel luv.

I am sure most common german civilians in nazi germany were polite and good people like angel luv. But by becoming sheep of their society and religion, they allowed one of the worst events in history to happen.

just look at history. Most, if not all of teh worst/evil historical events was started in the name or religion.

[Anti.Hero]

Bob Barr and then the rest repubs.

[Findog]

Wasn't the Bible put together at a religious conference about 300 years after Jesus died?

[2centsworth]

He had ties and pacts with the Vatican.

Read a history book you ignorant son of a .

I know you're a troll-like looking creature, but I'll treat you as an equal if you show a little common decency. You grew up in a christian household, but does that make you a Christian?

[Shastafarian]

Wasn't the Bible put together at a religious conference about 300 years after Jesus died?

Yes. The Council of Nicaea.

[101A]

Summary of biblical teaching:

People who hear the Gospel and reject it: excluded

People who hear the Gospel, and only nominally accept it, like one would a coupon or free ticket: excluded

People who hear the Gospel, and accept it, but later decide they like wordly pleasures better, or think they can have it both ways: excluded (gulp)

People who hear the Gospel, accept it, and then actually follow what Jesus told them to do: included

People who never hear the Gospel: indeterminate

[angel_luv]

You are exactly all that is wrong with part of this country. And it's not your religious belief. It's the fact that you have gone completely irrational that is the problem.
You don't think by yourself anymore. You live in fear. You fear that Obama is the Anti-Christ. You fear that that you might choose incorrectly. You fear that you might anger your god. You fear that anything non-christian might ruin your world. All your fears are intrinsically bound by one common denominator: You no longer think rationally. You are intellectually dishonest with yourself.
I'm being absolutely serious when I say you should seek professional help.
You might be the most polite and sincere person in the world, but you're in dire need of help. The sooner, the better.

I am not afraid- at all. I assure you.

I am aware of the very real spiritual realities that are constantly at work in and have always existed in this world.

There is God who loves us and there is Satan who is out to destroy us all.

Your life on earth will either be spent in God's hands with His blessings or without help under the relentless attack of Satan.
Which of the two occurs is up to you to choose, as is the destination of your eternal soul.

John 10:

"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.

The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep.

The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.

But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.


Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep.

All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them.

I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.


"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.


The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.

The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me—

just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.

I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again.

No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

At these words the Jews were again divided.

Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?"

But others said, "These are not the sayings of a man possessed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?"

[Shastafarian]

I am not afraid- at all. I assure you.

I am aware of the very real spiritual realities that are constantly at work in and have always existed in this world.

There is God who loves us and there is Satan who is out to destroy us all.

Your life on earth will either be spent in God's hands with His blessings or without help under the relentless attack of Satan.
Which of the two occurs is up to you to choose, as is the destination of your eternal soul.

John 10:

"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.

The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep.

The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.

But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.


Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep.

All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them.

I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.


"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.


The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.

The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me—

just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.

I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again.

No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

At these words the Jews were again divided.

Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?"

But others said, "These are not the sayings of a man possessed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?"

Oh Jesus

[tp2021]

Oh Jesus

Precisely

[Shastafarian]

Precisely

Exactly

[spurster]

Pretty amazing ignorance.

Regarding doing all things by Jesus, you should look at the history of all the religious wars between Christians, wars started by Christians, and persecution of others by Christians. It's not pretty, and they all thought they were doing these things by Jesus. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

[Oh, Gee!!]

Exactly

Indubitably

[BacktoBasics]

Mental Illness Forum

[101A]

This is exactly why I said I now better understand why the Holocaust and Inquisition came to happen. It is because of people like angel luv.

I am sure most common german civilians in nazi germany were polite and good people like angel luv. But by becoming sheep of their society and religion, they allowed one of the worst events in history to happen.

just look at history. Most, if not all of teh worst/evil historical events was started in the name or religion.

Many, yes.

Crusades = Religion.

Hitler/Nazis = Religion

9/11 = Religion

However, a great many have been killed in the name of liberalism, also:

Stalin = Liberal

Mao = Liberal