To her, religious beliefs define the well being of the country.
So if the Anti-Christ was pro-life...?
My thoughts:
I don't think Obama is really that religious at all, but in America you can't come out and admit that you aren't a reverent bible-thumper.
His mother was not really a religious type, he never really met his real father, and most accounts of his early adult life at college don't indicate any real emphasis on religion.
He is probably mildly religious, and that just won't do for some people.
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Me fail at redin comprehentin? That's unpossible!
Likely not.
That does it, no candidate past or this election gets my vote.
Our ( so sorry to use this word) fundamental difference is that for me faith determines my politics and to most of you faith and politics should not be combined.
We could have this arguement for eternity.
I respect each of your right to have your own view, for your own reason and to vote accordingly.
The majority of you seem willing to show me the same consideration for which I am grateful.
No arguement I give in this thread is going to satisfy the masses.
So if anyone wants to know about my faith or views, feel free to message me.
But I am no longer going to post in this thread because I am just aggravating people by rehashing beliefs of mine which you are already all aware of.
Thanks to all for taking the time to talk with me.
Yes, I agree completely. This is supposed to be an open society, and I support angel luv's right to speak her thoughts freely. I don't agree with her on many issues, but that doesn't matter to me. The whole point of dissent being allowed in a society is to bring disagreements to the table for discussion-- not to turn every debate into a name-calling contest.
Why do you feel the need to personally attack me? I see a pattern here. You come after me when I have a "heated" conversation with timvp, whottt, and now angel_luv. I get it now. Whenever I offend one of your internet crushes you hop to and try and defend them!!! Sorry man, I didn't realize. If you just tell me who you love here I'll stay away from them.
There are people whose goal is to replace the existing form of government of the U.S. with one that is explicitly Christian. Only Christians would be able to hold office. Others would be tolerated in society, but would be secondary in stature.
angel probably hasn't thought through her beliefs to that degree, but I'm guessing if that coup happened, she'd applaud it.
Where did I call her a name?
isn't it strange that her boyfriend hasn't entered the fray.......even after she spoke for him?
Absolutely true on all accounts. Blaming the world's ills (or even historical ills)on religion is limited in scope.
It is in our nature to be violent, selfish and otherwise deviant towards our fellow man.
But, imo, that doesnt absolve the Church of the past of its sins.
To be frank, I just cant understand why some (most?) people would believe so whole-heartedly in a man-made ins ution. Sure, one can claim they only believe in the Bible, but do you attend church?
Its participating and propogating a mechanism of control. The earliest form of non-violent control this species has ever known. I am NOT saying the Bible is horrible, or that religioius people are insane or delusional.
My entire problem with faith is NOT faith itself. On the contrary, I believe in a grand creator (to an extent). My entire problem is organized religion. I think its a farce, I think its a man-made selfish intreptation of the universe and our place in it. If you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, thats totally acceptable. You believe in Jesus and the Holy Trinity, youre awesome.
But dont expect others to believe what you believe just because your beliefs came with an instruction manual. Thats bull .
We're delving into philosophy here, but what would be the point of selfishness and greed to a society where everything was known? I just don't see how they could jive or how there would be any want in such a society.
Taking statements out of their original context to try to prove a point certainly reinforces my assertion.
Hasnt this thread in its entirety been about philosophy ultimately?
She has one african-american parent. You were playing Psychologist (what a surprise for an internet know-it-all) and asserted that even if she didn't realize it, you thought she harbored some irrational fear of black mean. That means that although she may not know it, she has racist tendencies. Care to clear things up Dr. Phil?
well sorry but angel is missing a few screws. The ones that make logical thinking possible.
- First says obama might be the antichrist.
- Then said, all Obama had to do is show his devotion to God and that would rule him out from being the antichrist.
- Then after countless of proofs of that, she now says Obama the "antichrist" could be faking when talking like this
the poor girl is missing something up there that is preventing her from adding up. Like someone else said, at least she's not armed.
I would suggest she talks to her parents/family/friends/priest. Someone hopefully will be able to guide her.
well you are all knowing.
well i can't speak for society as a whole so i can't answer the question the way you're leading me to answer. i'm sure you already have a reply ready, but i can say this. i give every person a clean slate until they screw up. normally i allow them to screw up quite a bit before i see them for what that person is. notice i say person, not race, society, culture, what not. i'll let people with the same mindset as you to pull the race card. it's a cop out. plain and simple. i'll be more than happy to support and vote for a black/man or woman, or any race for that matter, that runs for the presidency, but this time around i won't be voting for that black man. all races have their positive and negative figures. any person should know that.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed he believes this.
Depends on the church. I can't say mine exercises "control" unless "control" is "hey, since we all love Jesus, let's get together and rebuild hurricane-damaged homes" or "let's raise money for this school in Kenya for AIDS orphans."
There's preaching about practicing self-denial too. I guess if people don't like it, next week they go down the road to the next one.
The ones that in the past have really tried to control people would be more like the RCC, CRC, some Southern Baptists, etc. where they really lay the guilt on thick.
It would seem to me that if there were a real anti-christ who was bent on leading people astray the easiest way to do that in the US would be to be solidly pro-life.
That would lull the mental defenses of the faithful enough to get them to go along with you. Give them a little of what they want, then, while they aren't looking, sneak things in that corrupt them. Because you have built up a lot of "cred" with fundamentalists, they won't notice things like thought police until it is too late.
Ins ute policies that they believe in like school prayer, and so forth, so you can have a free hand to define what that prayer is. Over time, change it just a little here and there, and start pointing the finger at those who aren't fervent enough.
Start herding the people who aren't fervent enough or who aren't even christian into ghettos. After a while, this becomes socially accepted, so you start snipping at the edges for fringe sects who don't quite believe the mainstream othodoxy that you have ins uted through your mandatory prayers.
You will have created tendencies for the population to go along with such oppression, and that you are the only "truly" righteous leader, by precedent.
a few???
Resources would still be finite.
You should attack me and see what he says.
meteorologist, economist, political scientist. the list grows each and every day.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed he believes this.
You forgot Psychologist.
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