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[JoeChalupa]

I've got my Obama sign in my yard, and the bumper sticker too and yeah, I've gotten some nasty looks in my Obama shirt but...the time is now!!!

[Findog]

Who said that's what I was equating it to? I'm talking about actual violence by "McCain supporters" being blamed on McCain rather than the person simply being a criminal. Many such threads exist in this forum and I've already commented on the hypocrisy.

To date, there haven't been any acts of violence perpetuated by McCain supporters. There have been threats of violence and extremely troubling rhetoric coming out of some of these rallies, but no violence. And I think what myself and other Obama supporters object to, or at least lay at the feet of the McCain campaign, is all of these insinuations from Palin that he "pals around with terrorists," he's not pro-America, he has "associations" that need to be looked at, he's not "one of us," etc. Then McCain comes along and says "No, no, you need not be afraid of or scared of Obama, you just have to disagree with his policies." The MILF lathers them up and then Grandpa comes along and hoses them down. He wants the benefit of these kinds of character attacks while seemingly distancing himself from them.

So, as for my official position on the ugly rhetoric coming from McCain supporters caught on tape, ultimately people are responsible for the views that they hold, but where are they getting this stuff from? The robocalls, the leaflets, the chain emails, etc. And that IS the responsibility of the McCain campaign. This looks like the work of some meth-addled street thug. Obama is not lathering up his supporters in a similar fashion.

[timvp]

Let's be honest here and flip this situation. If a white man would have abducted a black woman and then would have inscribed McCain insignia on her skin after witnessing her support of Obama, this thread would be how McCain's actions during this election period have ignited hate and started a race war.

Truth.

[Soul_Patch]

I think its because Obama is the antichrist...probably used those lasers in his eyes to burn the mark...he was probably going for 666, but ed up, and just decided to leave it as a B, and move on.


in obama...

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

To date, there haven't been any acts of violence perpetuated by McCain supporters.

Actually a few reporters have had things thrown at them and at least one claimed to be physically assaulted.

http://joekillian.wordpress.com/2008...e-joe-sixpack/

[DarkReign]

Let's be honest here and flip this situation. If a white man would have abducted a black woman and then would have inscribed McCain insignia on her skin after witnessing her support of Obama, this thread would be how McCain's actions during this election period have ignited hate and started a race war.

Truth.

Whoa man, I hope not. But that has more to do with racial relations than any political statement. Call it 70 race/30 political.

[MannyIsGod]

Let's be honest here and flip this situation. If a white man would have abducted a black woman and then would have inscribed McCain insignia on her skin after witnessing her support of Obama, this thread would be how McCain's actions during this election period have ignited hate and started a race war.

Truth.

Yes it would have been worse. And if it was Obama who had the pregnant teenage daughter and not Palin he'd be losing in the polls and we'd hear about what a horrible father he was and how we couldn't expect him to run the country if he couldn't even run his own family.

There are double standards everywhere and they suck, but they are what they are. Now, that being said I don't think you can link Obama to this event in the same way you can directly link McCain and his surrogates to hateful speech.

But the bottom line is that while they may seem like simillar events and you can try to form a comparison they are night and day. Besides, you don't need this or any other horrible event to point out how re ed some supporters of Obama are. There is no doubt about that.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I hope the catch the guy and he's punished according to the strictest measure available under the law. No excuse for that behavior whatsoever. Doesn't change my vote or view on the candidates. Stupid to make such a link.

[timvp]

To date, there haven't been any acts of violence perpetuated by McCain supporters.

O RLY?

That contradicts Obama backers not only in this thread but in countless other threads.

There have been threats of violence and extremely troubling rhetoric coming out of some of these rallies, but no violence. And I think what myself and other Obama supporters object to, or at least lay at the feet of the McCain campaign, is all of these insinuations from Palin that he "pals around with terrorists," he's not pro-America, he has "associations" that need to be looked at, he's not "one of us," etc. Then McCain comes along and says "No, no, you need not be afraid of or scared of Obama, you just have to disagree with his policies." The MILF lathers them up and then Grandpa comes along and hoses them down. He wants the benefit of these kinds of character attacks while seemingly distancing himself from them.

So, as for my official position on the ugly rhetoric coming from McCain supporters caught on tape, ultimately people are responsible for the views that they hold, but where are they getting this stuff from? The robocalls, the leaflets, the chain emails, etc. And that IS the responsibility of the McCain campaign. This looks like the work of some meth-addled street thug. Obama is not lathering up his supporters in a similar fashion.

Obama's lathering is more subtle, to be sure. But driving home the notion repeatedly that electing McCain would continue all of Bush's current evils (and sometimes even worse), has Obama backers just as frenzied if not more frenzied. It's a cleaner version of politics than we seeing coming from McCain but it still is fundamentally based in fear.

[Findog]

Let's be honest here and flip this situation. If a white man would have abducted a black woman and then would have inscribed McCain insignia on her skin after witnessing her support of Obama, this thread would be how McCain's actions during this election period have ignited hate and started a race war.

Truth.

That's not flipping the situation. Flipping the situation would be some meth-addled redneck robbing a black woman at an ATM and carving Mc into her face. And it would be hard to make the case that his actions were influenced by McCain's campaign.

[JoeChalupa]

for tat.

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

Let's be honest here and flip this situation. If a white man would have abducted a black woman and then would have inscribed McCain insignia on her skin after witnessing her support of Obama, this thread would be how McCain's actions during this election period have ignited hate and started a race war.

Truth.

Introducing race into the situation is a misnomer. We have no idea of the victim's race. Also, no one was abducted. By which I only mean that we have nothing to show this was anything other than a spur of the moment crime of opportunity.

Also, inscribing an insignia would be significant, as it indicates the relationship the criminal was establishing between his crime and his message.

I hold McCain responsible for his behavior and I think he and Palin have generated an unnecessary atmosphere of hate and anger and that they have laid the foundation that would lead to some people feeling they were doing their patriotic duty to eliminate Obama. I am still worried their rhetoric is going to get the guy killed.

That does not absolve the criminal of the actual crime. But there is a reason we have incite to violence laws. It's a very gray area with first ammendment issues.

But as long as you're being truthful, honestly consider. When Palin and McCain call Obama a friend of terrorists, don't you think they have some idea of the dangerous implications of their words?

[timvp]

That's not flipping the situation. Flipping the situation would be some meth-addled redneck robbing a black woman at an ATM and carving Mc into her face. And it would be hard to make the case that his actions were influenced by McCain's campaign.

How many Obama supporters would that stop from connecting it?

[Trainwreck2100]

for tat.

blood for blood is the code of the streets

[baseline bum]

Let's be honest here and flip this situation. If a white man would have abducted a black woman and then would have inscribed McCain insignia on her skin after witnessing her support of Obama, this thread would be how McCain's actions during this election period have ignited hate and started a race war.

Truth.

If he carved a C on her head?

[Findog]

Obama's lathering is more subtle, to be sure. But driving home the notion repeatedly that electing McCain would continue all of Bush's current evils (and sometimes even worse), has Obama backers just as frenzied if not more frenzied. It's a cleaner version of politics than we seeing coming from McCain but it still is fundamentally based in fear.

What do you mean by "frenzied?" What are Obama supporters been driven in a frenzy to do, besides donate money, canvass, phone bank and vote? There have been reports of vandalized yard signs, but I'm sure there are countless examples of that on both sides.

I don't hate McCain supporters, I just think they are terribly misguided. And I think it is reasonable to conclude that he wouldn't be much of an improvement on Bush.

[Bartleby]

If he carved a C on her head?

Or a quick but faithful rendering of the straight talk express?

[timvp]

But as long as you're being truthful, honestly consider. When Palin and McCain call Obama a friend of terrorists, don't you think they have some idea of the dangerous implications of their words?

Dangerous, yes. But those thoughts are introduced to try to win the election, not for their dangerous side effects.

[Findog]

How many Obama supporters would that stop from connecting it?

I concede a lot of Obama supporters would run with it. But I would hope I would have the intellectual honesty to resist it.

[boutons_]

McMakesUp and pitbull have ignored Ari Fleischer's advice of "Be careful what you say".

"thread would be how McCain's actions during this election period have ignited hate and started a race war."

HUSSEIN as foreigner, not American, anti-American, risky( ), exotic ( ), uppity ( ) characterize exactly what McLiar's campaign and surrogates have been coding into their attacks. ALL VERY INFLAMMATORY, divisive, degrading. And repugnant to a lot of independents have decided that's not the words they wan to hear from the next president.

The Repugs have successfully exploited anti-black racism as a wedge/poloarizing issue since Nixon.

[Findog]

Dangerous, yes. But those thoughts are introduced to try to win the election, not for their dangerous side effects.

They are responsible though for the effects of those words. I understand that when it comes to presidential politics, the rule of the day seems to be that the ends justify the means. But they need to be careful, they are playing with fire.

[JoeChalupa]

blood for blood is the code of the streets

street cred counts?

[TheMadHatter]

O RLY?

That contradicts Obama backers not only in this thread but in countless other threads.

Obama's lathering is more subtle, to be sure. But driving home the notion repeatedly that electing McCain would continue all of Bush's current evils (and sometimes even worse), has Obama backers just as frenzied if not more frenzied. It's a cleaner version of politics than we seeing coming from McCain but it still is fundamentally based in fear.

Another round of ASSumptions and inferences that simply make no sense by our good friend Tim.

Obama lathering his supporters? Give me a break. He's allowed to point out his opponent's POLICY flaws, that's sort of what people running for office do. They compare and contrast their policy decisions. If Obama wants to say that McCain will for the most part continue George W. Bush's policies, he is perfectly in his right to do so. That is not "lathering his supporters", that's not even subtly "lathering his supporters". How you made this inference is beyond reason, you and Angel Luv need to get a room

It is in no way, shape, or form the same as what Palin and the McCain camp have been running around saying. The "Obama pals around with terrorists" statement was directly intended to incite fear and paranoia amongst the electorate. It is no surprise that we see the hate fests and outright racism at the McCain/Palin rallies now. That level of hostility DIDN'T EXIST a mere two months ago. Don't believe me, go look at the mountains of footage we have available. The hostility started as soon as the McCain campaign decided to manipulate the electorate's fear of terrorism.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

What do you mean by "frenzied?" What are Obama supporters been driven in a frenzy to do, besides donate money, canvass, phone bank and vote? There have been reports of vandalized yard signs, but I'm sure there are countless examples of that on both sides.

I don't hate McCain supporters, I just think they are terribly misguided. And I think it is reasonable to conclude that he wouldn't be much of an improvement on Bush.

"frenzied"
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/pol...ef=videosearch

[DarrinS]

I hold McCain responsible for his behavior and I think he and Palin have generated an unnecessary atmosphere of hate and anger and that they have laid the foundation that would lead to some people feeling they were doing their patriotic duty to eliminate Obama. I am still worried their rhetoric is going to get the guy killed.

But as long as you're being truthful, honestly consider. When Palin and McCain call Obama a friend of terrorists, don't you think they have some idea of the dangerous implications of their words?

Then you must think George Stephanopolis is trying to get Obama killed.

The McCain campaign didn't INVENT this issue of Barack's association with Bill Ayers. This thing was batted around before Obama was even the nominee.