who will put up a better stats, pau or bynum?

[DPG21920]

biedrins is a player who can definitely give more. but he plays in a structured offense meant to run and gun.


you have monta ellis,baron davis,stephen davis taking majority of the shots and their post presence is neglected.


your exapmle of dwight further proves how close bynum is closing in among the best of the best in efficiency category. he just needs more playing time.


bynum can bang down low. and he has a soft touch for a player that is barely hitting the scratch of his potential.

The guy hasn't played at all. Does not mean he does not have potential, but guys like you overrate him at the expense of ignoring DPOY awards and guys that have been doing it for years.

Saying that he dunks and is limited offensively is not putting him in a class. Biedrins cannot shoot, have you watched him take a free throw? Dwight? Just because you can dunk, does not mean you have skill. That is where you wrong. Being able to dunk is valuable and you will shoot a high% but it is not a skill.

[DPG21920]

Efficiency is always skewed towards big men. Same with per 48.

[RsxPiimp]

So you think that Bynum will out rebound Camby given the same minutes?.

yes.

Bynum is a better finisher around the rim and is more efficient, but I have seen Camby hit jumpers and 3 pointers, Bynum cannot do that. ?.

Bynum is a traditional center. any center who shoots threes and uses that as his case why he's a much more efficient player needs to evaluate his career.

That is the empirical fallacy of being a fan. You think you know more than people getting paid. If that was the case, you could find a job doing this.

I dont think i do. But what I do know is that an overwhelming amount of fan knows more basketball than Rick Kamla, Jalen Rose and Bill Walton.


dont confuse knowledge with actual basketball skills

[RsxPiimp]

The guy hasn't played at all. Does not mean he does not have potential, but guys like you overrate him at the expense of ignoring DPOY awards and guys that have been doing it for years.

Saying that he dunks and is limited offensively is not putting him in a class. Biedrins cannot shoot, have you watched him take a free throw? Dwight? Just because you can dunk, does not mean you have skill. That is where you wrong. Being able to dunk is valuable and you will shoot a high% but it is not a skill.

im not overrating bynum.


im advocating the fact that camby is overrated.oppositions where having a field day in the paint with camby manning the post.

[DPG21920]

Thats what happens when you have players that suck at defense and a coach who does not hold them accountable.

[RsxPiimp]

Thats what happens when you have players that suck at defense and a coach who does not hold them accountable.

nah man. camby is a stat freak who would give you 2 bpg but its impact hardly shows on the court.



kinda like how iverson used to give the sixers 2 thefts a game but he is easily one of the worst defensive point guard.


not saying camby and iverson are a like but you get the point.

[DPG21920]

nah man. camby is a stat freak who would give you 2 bpg but its impact hardly shows on the court.



kinda like how iverson used to give the sixers 2 thefts a game but he is easily one of the worst defensive point guard.


not saying camby and iverson are a like but you get the point.

Lets put it this way. If Camby was on the Spurs, our defense would be the best in the league.

[turiaf for president]

comparing bynums offensive game to dho and biedrins is stupid. Howard has yet to develop a low post game. hes offensive game is comparable to shaq when he first came in the league. can he get better? of course. shaq developed a lil jump hook to go along with his strength. Bynum can use his right and his left around the basket. he improved his jump hook tremendously during the offseason and showed it in the preseason. having kareem as ure personal coach always helps.

u keep bringing up his potential. and yes its true but its not like he had 3-4 games last year where he put up good numbers. he did it night in and night out and only improved as the season progressed. compared to a nba career, 30-35 games is miniscule but its still a good indicator of the body of work. there is not ONE GM in the league that doesnt think he will have an offseason this year. if it was soley on potential, they would say hes got upside but wont have him as a key piece in a championship team.

[RsxPiimp]

Lets put it this way. If Camby was on the Spurs, our defense would be the best in the league.

camby and duncan? of course man, no one would argue.

[SpursDynasty]

Over the last 2 seasons Andrew Bynum has averaged about 10 points a game. Big deal.

[21_Blessings]

He will take rebounds from Pau and Odom now?

With Odom coming off the BENCH, yes.

[DPG21920]

With Odom coming off the BENCH, yes.

Who cares if he is coming off the bench, he will be getting plenty of playing time. You are over inflating his stats I think, but that does not over inflate his value. There are so many rebounders (plus you have to factor in foul trouble) and scorers it is going to be hard to surpass what he did last year statistically I believe. I do believe he might take a board a game away from Pau.

[TheMACHINE]

lol at Bynum vs Camby

lol at whoever choses Camby over Bynum.

[21_Blessings]

Who cares if he is coming off the bench, he will be getting plenty of playing time.

He'll be getting less playing time than last year. And fact that he's coming off the bench does matter. As he'll be backing up Bynum and Gasol so most of the time you'll see a front court of Bynum/Odom, Bynum/Gasol or Gasol/Odom instead of a Bynum/Gasol/Odom. Bynum was able take boards away from Odom when they were on the court together last season and that not going to change. If anything, Odom's boards will decrease by about 3.

You are over inflating his stats I think, but that does not over inflate his value. There are so many rebounders (plus you have to factor in foul trouble) and scorers it is going to be hard to surpass what he did last year statistically I believe.

You're deflating his stats based on pure ignorance. Bynum was grabbing that many rebounds last season in just under 29 minutes and after coming off the bench the first 2-3 weeks of the season. Now, he'll be starting, playing more minutes and is in much better physical shape than he was last year. That means more rebounds.

[21_Blessings]

Bynum isn't scoring 20 points a game, Phil has even said as much. Not with Kobe/Pau on the team. And none of those players you mentioned are going to be stealing boards away from Bynum when he's in the game as he engulfs anything in his vicinity.

[RsxPiimp]

Not to mention that Bynum has added a nice 15ft shot and a fall away 10fter. Most people who arent Lakers fans didnt see what we saw during the month of Jan. last year. Its rare that you see a 20 year old delcare that he would have a break out year, and he actually does it. Everything about Bynum has improved, so I expect his numbers to improve as well. Look for him to do all season what he did in Jan.

ive seen those preseason games.


bynum should stick with his low post moves rather than pop those jumpers.

[RsxPiimp]

I was only suggesting that he should be a 20/10 guy. Ive adopted the theory of establishing the Big man first, and the Lakers do just the opposite. If I was coaching the Lakers, both of my 7fters would be averaging 20 a night. Kobe would have to swallow his pride and dump that ball inside. And Bynum even admited that Odom gets all the rebounds.

look


stop

listen


bynum aint gonna avg 20 a game with kobe,odom,and pau.

[IronMexican]

look


stop

listen


bynum aint gonna avg 20 a game with kobe,odom,and pau.

Lol, Odumb. I agree with you though. Well, except the Odumb part. Bynum wont get enough touches. Maybe if he can get a lot of put backs, but other wise, no.

[RsxPiimp]

Read

Understand

Comprehend

I never said he will be a 20/10 guy. I said he could be. He was putting up 17/12 for the month of Jan, playing only around 32 minutes, and shooting 70%.

alright my bad


i do have problems with comprehension sometimes. i knocked my head a couple o times when i was snorting some cocaine when i was 16.

[21_Blessings]

And Bynum even admited that Odom gets all the rebounds.

Which wasn't the case when Bynum was starting last season. Odom's boards dropped dramatically and only went back up when Bynum went down and Pau was playing center.