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    Spur-taaaa TDMVPDPOY's Avatar
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    From here on the other side of the pond, to me it looks like the hit commodities are taking is taking a toll on miners and WA in particular (WA is/was the fastest growing and most robust economy in Oz, isn't it?). I thought I read something where Oz *thought* they would be insulated because of the China growth and in turn the growth of WA.

    The downturn in China in particular is going to cast clouds on the sector for a while as well.
    yeh falling price commodities, too bad china/india aint buying to solve everyones problems, heck even china didnt even have a bailout plan for one of its own collapse big banks......seems like australia $110B surplus aint doing anyway if its use, just money going down the drain imo. They are planning to release a $10b stimulus plan, where families get $1k this christmas and pensioners will see an increase in their fortnightly payments of extra $30-$50. No one is willing to spend imo...with christmas/boxing day/end of year sales just around the corner.....will not be enough to get economic activity rolling, consumer confidence is bleak....

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    Cinnamon Girl mrsmaalox's Avatar
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    Mr. John Wayne CosmicCowboy's Avatar
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    Looks like the market is really trying to find a bottom in the 8200-8300 range. Hope it holds.

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    Looks like the market is really trying to find a bottom in the 8200-8300 range. Hope it holds.
    That seems to be the day's floor, although if it doesn't go up before the late in the day sell-offs, I wonder.

    Meh.

    Might as well pull a number out of a hat these days. I have completely given up trying to figure out where the bottom is, and anybody who says they know with any degree of certainty is trying to sell you something.

    Goldbugs are still waving their arms saying "buy buy buy".

    I can't wait for the price of gold to settle down to 200-300 again. I will laugh at the silly people who bought into the fad at 700+.

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    Cosmic-I think “the leveraged hedge fund folks” have been selling off @ 3:30 for two weeks now…

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    I said it a while ago . . . buy puts . . .

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    I said it a while ago . . . buy puts . . .
    Why the did I sell them last Thursday?

    Market looks to heading South . . . again . . .

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    It's In The Numbers 1369's Avatar
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    Cosmic-I think “the leveraged hedge fund folks” have been selling off @ 3:30 for two weeks now…
    Looks like they were early today...

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    ho hum, just another day in the market...

    down another 2.6%

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    holy . it will close at 7k at some point this week

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    I did not get the "time to buy memo”…
    Dow...9,065.12...+889.35

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    It's a start.

  13. #463
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    sucker bounce.

    A 50 basic point rate drop is no grounds for exuberance.

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    sucker bounce.

    A 50 basic point rate drop is no grounds for exuberance.
    LOL

    Fed finally announces the 50 basic point drop in interest rates that most were anticipating and the market drops 400 points in 10 minutes.

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    Friday will be the big drop and could quite possibly be the floor.

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    Any new updates, opinions or predictions…

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    Mr. John Wayne CosmicCowboy's Avatar
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    Any new updates, opinions or predictions…
    I predict that if the market tanks tomorrow they don't call it Black Friday.

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    LOL...

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    My real question is, “the DOW has dropped 700 points since Obama was elected"…Were investors just waiting for an excuse to bail? There is really no “new economic news since Monday...

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    Actually there is. Some monthly reports are coming in that confirm that the recession is much worse than the optimists were predicting and the IMF just revised their projections. I'm still sticking by my prediction that this thing is gonna bottom around 7000.

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    Actually there is. Some monthly reports are coming in that confirm that the recession is much worse than the optimists were predicting and the IMF just revised their projections. I'm still sticking by my prediction that this thing is gonna bottom around 7000.
    Is this something you do for fun or profession?

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    Mr. John Wayne CosmicCowboy's Avatar
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    Is this something you do for fun or profession?
    I'm not a professional money guy if thats what you are asking. I do feel that what happens in the economy affects us all and I consider myself to be fairly well read on the subject.

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    My real question is, “the DOW has dropped 700 points since Obama was elected"…Were investors just waiting for an excuse to bail? There is really no “new economic news since Monday...
    Yes, actually there was a good chunk of news out there in the "oh crap, that's bad" category.

    Longer-term jobless benefits hit 25-year high

    "Productivity slows despite employer efforts"
    "Carmakers seek help, Toyota hacks outlook"

    Still, September factory orders fell 2.5 percent from August, the department said, more than three times the drop analysts expected. Excluding autos and aircraft, orders fell 3.7 percent, the steepest drop since 1992, when the department began tracking sector-specific changes.

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    The factory orders report comes a day after the widely watched Ins ute of Supply Management gauge of manufacturing activity plunged in October to its lowest level since the country's last deep recession, the 1981-82 downturn.
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    Not exactly cheery news.

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    The imminent collapse of the U.S. Economy to occur sometime in late 2008

    The imminent collapse of the U.S. Government finances sometime in mid 2009

    The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse

    The advance round-ups of "insurgent U.S. Citizens" likely to move against the government

    The detention of those rounded up at The REX 84 Camps constructed throughout the United States

    The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses

    The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil unrest

    The necessary and unavoidable merger of The U.S. with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union

    The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution.
    Um. No thanks. Stop listening to Alex Jones.

  25. #475
    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    I'm not talking about sub-prime rates, I'm talking about general interest rates. Bank rates were 21% when Reagan took office and brought the economy back with massive tax cuts. If Obama and a super majority in congress get elected we are gonna go the other way on tax increases in a recession and interest rates WILL go up massively.

    Prime + Libor (+3.65) is the true effective interest rate now...it's just not the official rate.


    Reagan's tax cuts had less to do with that than what Volker did after the election.

    Trickle down my ass.

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