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Sherk is the only other fighter that seems to be picking Lesnar. Everyone else knows Randy too well. I wonder if Sherk and Lesnar buy from the same guy.
Well he looked good to me after 3 against Herring and lets face it if Brock is going to have a bright future in the UFC, he better find a way to go 5 rds, without being out of gas.. We'll see if he can do it, if he is unable to finish, i don't count him out of 5 rds though, not with his work ethic..
Sherk is the only other fighter that seems to be picking Lesnar. Everyone else knows Randy too well. I wonder if Sherk and Lesnar buy from the same guy.
Inside MMA had a lot of pros pick the fight and it was pretty even.
Well they train at the same camp right? So yeah he is going to pick Brock.. And most of the fighters should pick Randy. I probably would to if i was a fighter because you want to feel like experience wins out..
People that were picking Lesnar were saying how evolved he has become as a fighter with training based on training with him or knowing someone that has.
People that were picking Randy were basing it on experience and "you can never count Randy out"
so there's that.....
I'll say this, if there is any truth to what that artice i posted said about Brock now being very tough to tap out in camp from top JJ guys, combined with Randy not being much a JJ guy, that is bad news for Randy and his only chance may now be dragging Brock into deep water and banking on conditioning or a flash KO..
Speaking of Which Evan, Brocks trainer said in an interview, i think is still on UFC.com that he's lifted weights much less this camp to focus more and more on cardio. That he's been pushed 5 rds in camp numerous times and he's just fine with it.. So i guess that his trainers are almost banking on 5 rds and Brock will come in not quite as big to have better cardio, we'll see...
yeah...you know he did look really good in the Heath Herring fight throughout the entire thing. These big dudes in WWE and Linemen in the NFL seem to have great cardio so I guess the more muscle/oxygen argument doesn't always hold true.
New Article just up on UFC.com
"The Numbers Game, Part Two – Brock’s TurnBy Thomas Gerbasi
In what has been a respectful lead-up to Saturday’s SuperFight between UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture and Brock Lesnar, the only really pointed barbs directed at the challenger have come from fans and media wondering if a fighter entering only his fourth pro fight should be receiving a world le shot.
The answer to that is in the UFC history books, where 18 fighters have fought for UFC crowns with less than 10 pro bouts, including fighters such as Couture, BJ Penn, Georges St-Pierre, o Ortiz, Mark Coleman, Kenny Florian, Kevin Randleman and Frank Mir. Not too shabby company to keep, first of all, but secondly, consider that the man Lesnar is facing in the UFC 91 main event at the MGM Grand Garden Arena, Couture, fought and beat Maurice Smith for the heavyweight belt in his fourth pro fight in 1997.
As for Lesnar’s take on the whole situation, he said during a recent media teleconference, “This is a once-in-a-life opportunity for me. And anybody that would be in my position would never have turned this fight down. Dana and Zuffa and the UFC, they put on fights that people want to see. And Brock Lesnar versus Randy Couture for the heavyweight le is a fight that people are going to tune in and want to see. So, you can’t take that away from myself or from Randy or from the company. This company puts on fights that people are interested in watching.”
So why the uproar? Maybe it’s that most fans and media members are still infatuated with the boxing model of the modern era, where boxers generally fight for world les after 20-25 fights. What they don’t realize though is that most of these boxers have feasted on no-hopers and journeymen for most of those record-building bouts. Mixed martial artists don’t have that luxury, especially at the UFC-level, where you’re tossed into the deep end of the pool from the start.
Let’s look at a couple of current examples.
Rising star Andre Berto, a 2004 Olympian for Haiti and the son of Dieuseul Berto, a UFC 10 veteran, recently won the vacant WBC welterweight le with a 2008 win over Miguel Angel Rodriguez. He entered the bout with a 21-0 record. Look at the record and pick out the world-class opposition on there – Michel Trabant, David Estrada, Cosme Rivera, and if you’re really reaching, Norberto Bravo. Three or four names tops. Contrast this to current lightweight and former welterweight champ BJ Penn, who knocked out world-ranked opposition Din Thomas and Caol Uno in his second and third pro fights, which propelled him into a 2002 le fight against Jens Pulver, which he ultimately lost via a close five round majority decision.
And what about one of boxing’s biggest current stars, future hall of famer Joe Calzaghe, who is coming off one of the biggest wins of his career over Roy Jones? When he entered his first world le bout against Chris Eubank in 1997 at 22-0, the only world-class opposition he faced to that point was Luciano Torres and maybe then-21-0 Mark Delaney. How does that compare to o Ortiz, who fought Jerry Bohlander and Guy Mezger (twice) en route to a 1999 le fight against Frank Shamrock in his sixth pro bout?
The point is, it’s not the quan y of fights, but the quality. Lesnar admittedly opened up his career against the less than stellar Min Soo Kim, but in Kim’s defense, he was an Olympic silver medalist in judo who had previously been in with Semmy Schilt, Ray Sefo, Don Frye, and Bob Sapp before getting obliterated in 69 seconds by Lesnar. Next up for the former NCAA Division I National wrestling champ was Frank Mir, and if you take away a questionable stoppage of the action and point deduction and Lesnar could conceivably be undefeated right now. But it was his third fight, a lopsided three round unanimous decision win over Heath Herring in August that truly opened eyes. In that UFC 87 bout, Lesnar showed amazing power, speed, and athleticism in dominating a fighter who has been in with the best the heavyweight division has had to offer over the last decade. Lesnar’s win over Herring was no fluke, and it marked him as a serious contender to the crown.
So would it look nice to have 25-1 on the fight poster under Lesnar’s name? Sure. But what’s the point of misleading the public into thinking he beat 25 killers to get to the top? I’d rather see Couture’s 16-8 record on the marquee, knowing that his slate was built against real fighters in real fights, not just bouts designed to pad his record.
Now the only question is whether Lesnar’s amateur wrestling background and three pro fights have prepared him sufficiently for what he will face in Couture on Saturday night. Going back into the history books, only three of the 18 fighters who fought for UFC les with less than 10 fights walked out of the Octagon with the belt (Couture, Coleman, and Mir), but it’s important to note that Penn, Kenny Florian and Gill Castillo all went the championship route of five rounds in compe ive fights, and that Ortiz was beating Shamrock before running out of gas in the fourth round and submitting. Plus, when you’re dealing with a fighter with the physical advantages Lesnar brings into his fight with Couture, it’s hard not to see him as a very serious threat to the crown.
But when it comes down to it, if Bruce Buffer announces the words “AND NEW…” in front of Lesnar’s name this weekend, no one will
be questioning the Minnesotan’s credentials anymore, and that’s precisely why they fight the fights.
Fighters who have fought for UFC les with less than 10 pro fights (BOLD means fighter won the fight)
Andre Pederneiras – 2nd fight – vs Pat Miletich
Randy Couture – 4th fight – vs Maurice Smith
BJ Penn – 4th fight – vs Jens Pulver
Kevin Jackson – 4th fight – vs Frank Shamrock
o Ortiz – 6th fight – vs Frank Shamrock
Mark Coleman – 6th fight – vs Dan Severn
Gil Castillo – 6th fight – vs Dave Menne
Kenichi Yamamoto – 7th fight – vs Pat Miletich
David Terrell – 7th fight – vs Evan Tanner
Igor Zinoviev – 7th fight – vs Frank Shamrock
Georges St-Pierre – 8th fight – vs Matt Hughes
Kenny Florian – 8th fight – vs Sean Sherk
Gil Castillo – 8th fight – vs Matt Hughes
Matt Lindland – 8th fight – vs Murilo Bustamante
Elvis Sinosic – 9th fight - vs o Ortiz
Frank Mir – 9th fight – vs Tim Sylvia
Kevin Randleman - 10th fight - vs Bas Rutten
Nate Quarry – 10th fight – vs Rich Franklin"
Countdown show is on Tomorrow at 11 ET, should be good..
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH thanks brother!
Did you forget or didn't know, they replay it i think so you could have missed it..
I didn't know. I normally rely on someone mentioning it since DVR's can't "series record" count down shows.
I'm not sure this is a good comparison. There's a huge difference in having had four pro fights and having, say, nine.
Lesnar has 3.
I know. I just said four because he's going into his fourth fight.
I can read, believe it or not!
Evan...don't we have a $10 bet on Couture-Lesnar??
Since I'm just a casual fan I was wondering if this fight will be worth paying for? What I mean is are the undercard matchups worth the price?
yeah I have $10 on Lesnar and you owe me $10 for Randy not fighting Fedor in 08. I think we made that deal in late 07.
I want to say we have a 3rd floating out there somewhere.
Last edited by Evan; 11-10-2008 at 11:32 AM.
For a casual fan I would recommend UFC 92 in December.
Main Card Bouts (Pay-per-view):
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (#2 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Frank Mir
-Forrest Griffin (#1 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Rashad Evans (#4 Light Heavyweight in the World)*
-Quinton Jackson (#2 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Wanderlei Silva (#6 Light Heavyweight in the World)*
-Mustapha Al-Turk vs. Cheick Kongo
-C.B. Dollaway vs. Mike Massenzio
Preliminary Bouts:
-Yushin Okami (#6 Middleweight in the World)* vs. Dean Lister
-Matt Hamill vs. Reese Andy
-Ryo Chonan vs. Brad Blackburn
-Antoni Hardonk vs. Mark Burch
-Pat Barry vs. Dan Evensen
Everybody's got a hard-on for Randy and Brock going - nobody looks past to see that UFC 92 is a huge card. Huge. It is what all ppv's should be.
And it irritates the out of me, too - why is Lister/Okami on the undercard when we're being forced to watch Dollaway/Massenzio? Somebody really dropped the ball there.
Cool. This weekends main event is very intriguing but I just wasn't sure if a 45 yr old Couture vs that monster Lesnar would be worth paying for. I guess I'll wait for the next one.
It will be shown on the main card.
I am 10times more excited to see 92 then this weekend.
You're gonna enjoy it SAtodallas.!!!!1
Once again, you're in the know and I'm clueless.
As am i UFC 92 is an insane card, just spectacular but this weekend sure is a fascinating main event.. Ken and Joe could be good..
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