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Hahahah, yeah, I know, it's a little bit on the crazy side.
I have plenty of time at my job so its either this or actually working... this is more enjoyable.
[QUOTE=Allanon;2879181][quote]
Exactly, and this is where you flip-flopped. You said:
1) Kobe scored easier against the West
then you flip-flopped
2) Kobe scored easier against the East
Do you need me to quote you?
Yes, thanks for avoiding the question.
I did answer the question your style. "I don't know, I'm not an NBA owner". What's wrong, can't take the same kind of weasel answer you give others? Har har.
Of course, when you're wrong it's a "typo", gotcha buddy.
Of course, when you're wrong it's a "typo", gotcha buddy.
Yup, that's right in your face and you still can't say Kobe was a better 3 point shooter, hahah, weak. And Kobe has 3 rings to Jordan's 2.
Of course, when you're wrong it's a "typo", gotcha buddy.
Yup, and still you pointed out .20 IN A GAME which is stupid, you should know better than that Hollinger.
[QUOTE=Ambchang;2875968]Are you a math major? Have you ever taken statistics? Do you know how 3 pters work?[/quote
Yes, yes and yes.
I said Shaq need Kobe to win Rings, you have not proven otherwise. Your stats are from the wrong years.
Of course, when you're wrong it's not wrong, it's "semantics", gotcha buddy.
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What is wrong with that? Earl Boykins and Nowitzki DID perform better in the clutch in the 02-03 regular season. Is there a problem?[q/uote]
Thankfully, your fellow Spur fans aren't as stupid as you.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108899
Thankfully, your fellow Spur fans aren't as stupid as you.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108899
Good, you have no proof, Shooting Guards were smaller in Jordan's error.
It might show him winning a game instead of Kobe perhaps?
Yes he did, he also needed Kobe to win his other 3.
Holy ing , this has to be the longest ass reply i have ever seen, can we call this a draw folks and go out for a beer or something??Sure, I'll play your silly game. Let's see who your fellow Spur fans think is more clutch: Manu, Timmy or Dirk
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108899
Ginobili got more votes than Duncan! What a surprise!
And Duncan got more than Nowitzki. Thank god your fellow Spur fans aren't as stupid as you.
Hack-a-Shaq.
Alot of players can be on the court, that's the difference between being effective or not. Shaq was just on the court. Kobe took and made the game-winners.
Yes, Kobe sure was awesome wasn't he?
Yes, when you're wrong, it's not because you're wrong, it's a "typo" or a "mixup", gotcha.
Thank god your fellow Spur fans aren't as stupido as you.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108899
Are you saying I didn't say that?
What are you talking about? I said Kobe's going to surpass Jordan in points, either agree or disagree or let it go. How's that weaseling?
37 > 35
So?
Again you are penalizing Kobe for playing early but giving Jordan the benefits of college.
Going on your expanded list theory, Kobe's played alot more harder tougher players than Jordan. And going by my compe ive years list, Kobe's played against more of the top players. Either way, you're wrong.
About what? About acknowledging your own contracdiction?
You told me I can't say it. That's your problem. I like you and all but that sure as didn't stop me. Sorry, you can't tell me what to say or do
Yes, when you're wrong, you feel "sorry for me" and it's "semantics" or a "typo" or a "mixup", gotcha.
Nope you said Kobe scored more against the East when you flip-flopped, do you need me to quote it for you?
Yes, when you're wrong, you feel "sorry for me" and it's "semantics" or a "typo" or a "mixup", gotcha.
I can look into the future when you look into the future. No sneaking in double-standards you weasel.
Neither did the 90s and the 2000s. Kobe got to play against more.
So disparity has nothing to do with quality?
Great, His Airness gets to pit his career #'s against Kobe's at age 30, great logic!
Hahah, you little weasel. Where in there does it say "Jordan NEEDED Kerr"?
You like to twist my quotes and take parts out of it so it sounds like what you want to hear. Hear's what I said, stop lieing:
""Oh yes, it's because Jordan had Pippen, a top50 Player, Rodman, the best rebounder ever and Steve Kerr, the best 3 point shooter ever (arguably with Bird).""
Sure, keep on talking about Pippen if you like. But that won't make him win an MVP.
That's too bad because Kobe got an MVP, it's really pretty.
Great.
If you jump into the future, so will I.
Yes, and Kobe may have 4 rings at age 30 and Jordan would have 3.
Hack-a-Shaq
Sure, if you want to go off topic.
Horry isn't in the conversation with Jordan and Kobe cuz he's got no MVPs.
Great that you have no argument then. Shaq needed Kobe to win his Rings.
Sure he did, in a watered down league with a higher average FG% than Kobe's era.
Then there you have it. Thanks for agreeing.
Nope, Jordan had his expansion too.
Pistons, Suns, Hornets, Jazz, Rockets, Cavaliers, Mavs
Getting angry?
None of your quotes you listed in response to that were right. NONE, zippo, FAIL, try again, etc.
Sure you can, but as you go, so will I.
Let me know when he does.
Yes, I said watered down, YOU SAID expansion. Thankyou.
Hahahah, yeah, I know, it's a little bit on the crazy side.
I have plenty of time at my job so its either this or actually working... this is more enjoyable.
Someone close this dumb thread
Jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe
I agree.
good. can we close this thread now?
Jordan>>Kobe
No question about it.
Can Kobe put some challenge to the argument when his career is over?
Sure.
I don't think Allanon was trying to argue that Kobe > Jordan, he is just saying that Kobe could be better than Jordan in the future despite no evidence to show that he could. His only rationale is that Kobe got one more ring than Jordan at age 30 (through taking advantage of the fact that Kobe had a birthday August, while Jordan has his Feb), and disregarding the fact that Jordan played a much larger roles in those 2 rings than Kobe did in his three, as well as dismissing the fact that Kobe had a head start by coming into the league at age 18.
However, he is willing to take Kobe over Jordan at age 30.
He also showed little knowledge of NBA history over the last 20 years, trying to deny that Jordan shot less 3pters and at a lower % than Kobe did early in their careers because 3pters are simply used more extensively in this era.
Yup, I sincerely believe that Kobe has a shot at surpassing Jordan. He may surpass him, he may not. Either way I'm right.
Yup. There isn't anything Jordan could do at age 30 that Kobe can't do at age 30. The only difference was in the teams they had. Jordan had better teams at age 27, 28. Kobe now has a team that can compare with Jordan's Bulls at 30. At the same age, Kobe has 3 rings to Jordan's 2.However, he is willing to take Kobe over Jordan at age 30.
Yup, I was right. Jordan wasn't as good a 3 point shooter as Kobe at the same age.He also showed little knowledge of NBA history over the last 20 years, trying to deny that Jordan shot less 3pters and at a lower % than Kobe did early in their careers because 3pters are simply used more extensively in this era.
I think it is kinda unfair to say that Jordan is like GOD and Kobe is still fighting to get there. I think in terms of talent, they are on the same level. In terms of accomplishments, Kobe has a LONG way to go.
Jordan single handedly dominated this league. Not only was it his talent that made him so great it was his baskeball intelligence that made him so great. The only player i see playing now that i would say is like the same mindset of Jordan (and this might suprise some of you) would be Chris Paul. I HATE THIS GUY on the court. he is a feirce compe or. He takes cheap shots and does anything to win. But i can see a feirce tiger in that guy when he plays.
When i see Chris Paul play. I see a whole lotta Jordan in that guy. not so much in terms of talent. but in the way he plays.
yah cuz jordan plays point guard, has alot of assists and does layups alot.
did u not read my other post. I know Jordan wasnt a PG dude.
I am simply saying that Chris Paul has that JORDANESQUE playing mentality/ability that Jordan has and nobody else has right now. He KNOWS hes the best, He ACTS like hes the best and he DOMINATES the game like no one else right now.
No disrespect to you Laker brotha, but I can see where ExtremeSteven is coming from.
That little er is fiery, he hates to lose and he is clutch. Without CP3, the Hornets would be lottery bound... , even worse than the Bobcats. The Hornets sucked very recently...that was until CP3 was drafted and he turned them around. Gotta give him his props.
As much as guys get paid in the NBA, most players lack those qualities. Alot of players have talent but that drive is what separates the winners from the losers.
Joakim Noah, surprisingly has all that but not the talent.
T-Mac has all the talent but none of the above.
Sheed is fiery and talented but his desire is questionable
Kobe, CP3, Jordan have the skill and more importantly, the Desire to win.
yea man,
no disrespect to Kobe but i honestly think Chris Paul is more like the mind of Jordan than Kobe is.
let me put it like this. Chris Paul has the mindset of Jordan but plays like Magic but looks like Isaiah
Chris Paul's biggest problem is his size. If he was Kobe or LeBron sized, he would be an All Time Great.
Which brings me to LeBron, he has not shown the work ethic of Kobe/CP3. Kobe's worked on all aspects of his game. CP3 came into the NBA with a poor shooting touch. He's quickly becoming a pretty good shooter.
LeBron has improved but he has not worked on his mid-range shot and free-throws enough.
If Lebron was a good shooter he would no doubt surpass Jordan. No doubt
Either way you are right? How does that work? You don't even have a stance, how could you be right?
Jordan was a better scorer, had better defense, was a better leader, better marketer, better passer, better rebounder.
Funny how you mentioned teams. Jordan never had anyone as good as Shaq playing alongside him, and Kobe had Shaq from the get go all the way to 2004. He had less talented teams in 05 to 07, but compares to Jordan's teams for his first few years. Overall, Kobe got better teams than Jordan did.
So?
Because I say Kobe may or may not surpass Jordan.
If Kobe surpasses Jordan, I'm right.
If Kobe doesn't surpass Jordan, I'm right.
Different times, different coaching, different teams, etc. There's nothing Jordan could do that Kobe couldn't do except Win. Kobe's got a few years to improve in that department.Jordan was a better scoring, better defense, better leader, better marketer, better passer, better rebounder.
The marketting aspect is also a huge thing. Jordan made the NBA a nationwide phenomenom. With Kobe's popularity increasing world-wide, Kobe may be the reason the NBA becomes a global giant. One more Olympic gig and Kobe will probably secure his place as a global icon...that's probably why Kobe's so excited to be in London/Europe in 2012, he already cornered the Asian market, he needs the European one now.
True, Jordan didn't have Shaq. Kobe paid the price the last 3 years without Shaq. Now the playing field is even. Kobe doesn't have Shaq and he doesn't have a Pippen level player but he has a deeper team.Funny how you mentioned teams. Jordan never had anyone as good as Shaq playing alongside him, and Kobe had Shaq from the get go all the way to 2004. He had less talented teams in 05 to 07, but compares to Jordan's teams for his first few years. Overall, Kobe got better teams than Jordan did.
His Airness doesn't have Kobe beat in ALL categories, most but not ALL.So?
Last edited by Allanon; 11-10-2008 at 03:17 PM.
and im simply saying that your a dumbass if you dont think Kobe "KNOWS hes the best, ACTS like the best and DOMINATES the game".
Yah, you can...but to say that CP3 is the only one currenlty in the NBA already goes against your points in this thread.
I'm John Kerry, and I approve this message. Waffling on topics and never taking a stance led me to my almost-victory against the most hated President in US history!
Keep the waffling up!
Oh, no. I don't agree at all that CP3 is the only one. Obviously, Kobe too, but that doesn't need to be said cuz I've already said it like a million times in this thread
but sadly Extremesteven thinks he is the only one.Oh, no. I don't agree at all that CP3 is the only one. Obviously, Kobe too, but that doesn't need to be said cuz I've already said it like a million times in this thread
How's that waffling?
I'm not going to say Kobe's going to surpass Jordan, that's crazy. But it's also crazy to say Kobe ISN'T going to surpass Jordan with 5+ years left in his career.
So the best stance right now is to wait for Kobe to finish his career before you decide to vote one way or another.
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